1986 240 DL HARD TO SHIFT

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by rogadelic, Sep 28, 2005.

  1. rogadelic

    rogadelic Guest

    Hey everyone. I'm the happy new owner of an 1986 240 DL with automatic
    trans. It seems to me that it requires more muscle than normal to shift
    from P to R, or between any positions, for that matter. Sort of makes a
    load "clunk" noise too, which you can feel. Is this normal - just a
    matter of a heavy old car? Or does something need to be lubed,
    replaced, etc? But runs like the wind...

    Any help would be appreciated.
     
    rogadelic, Sep 28, 2005
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  2. rogadelic

    James Sweet Guest

    It's hard to say without feeling it for myself, but if it takes much effort
    the linkage probably needs cleaning, lube and/or adjustment, pretty simple
    once you're under the car.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 28, 2005
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  3. Besides the linkage (as James Sweet suggests), a peek at the engine mounts
    will tell you whether the tranny is tilting to one side because of a broken
    or smooshed (technical term) mount. Don't forget the one that holds the tail
    of the transmission.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Sep 29, 2005
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  4. rogadelic

    Randy G. Guest

    And, as James and Michael said, there are two easy explinations:

    1) The linkage is in and of itself binding. If you can get under the
    car safely with a bright light you will see that there are three pivot
    points to the linkage. One is at the base of the shifter itself, and
    the two others are at each end of the rodt that connects the stick
    shifter to the tranny. At each of thise three points there is one or
    two bushings. If these are really dirty, broken, or missing it should
    be easy to tell. You could even disconnect the one at the tranny and
    have someone CAREFULLY shift through the gears to see if it is stiff.

    1b) With the linkage off it may be possible to manually shift through
    the gears by moving the lever on the side of the ranny to ascertain
    whether that is he problem (see "3" below).

    2) You may find that the linkage is difficult to remove becasue it is
    under stress. This would be from the failure or shifting of one of the
    "3" motor mounts (two front mounts and one tranny mount). With teh
    stiuck shift car, it doesn't take much movement to make shifting
    difficult. The mounts should not be deformed or shifted away from
    parallel along their sides. If they like more like parallelograms than
    rectangles, if they have separated, or are noticeably bulged or
    disformed, then they need to be replaced. Fortunately, they are
    inexpensive. Unfortunately, without a floor jack, firm ground, and
    jack stands it can be difficult or even dangerous to change them if
    you don't know what you are doing.

    3) Those are the two easy solutions... unfortunatewly, the last one
    would mean that there is probably something wrong in the tranny.


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    Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
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    '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
    "Shelby" & "Kate"
     
    Randy G., Sep 29, 2005
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  5. rogadelic

    James Sweet Guest

    That's a good point, bad mounts will also make the fan grind into the
    shroud, been there, done that, should have thought of it here.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 29, 2005
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  6. rogadelic

    rogadelic Guest

    Thanks for the troubleshooting! All of it is beyond my mechanical
    skills, but now I know what to suggest to my mechanic. I am, however,
    going to take a crack at the notorious odometer repair.

    And how about the erratic fuel gauge? Most people online are suggesting
    it's probably the wires on top of the sending unit, and not the unit
    itself. If it's the wires, are they fairly simple to replace?

    But hey, body in excellent shape and only 100K on the engine, so I'm
    happy.
     
    rogadelic, Sep 30, 2005
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  7. rogadelic

    James Sweet Guest

    Yeah the body/interior are the hard part to find in good shape on such an
    old car, the inner workings are a breeze to deal with in comparison.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 30, 2005
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  8. For the erratic fuel guage, in my 85 765T the guage was erratic because the
    sender ground was screwed down, but the paint wasn't cleaned away under it.
    A minute of scraping with a pocketknife and fastening the terminal back down
    fixed it.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Sep 30, 2005
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  9. rogadelic

    jch Guest

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    Wires above the fuel tank are exposed since there is an air gap. the
    harness to that point is usually good, but the connector under the
    carpet could be dirty. Check the ground at that location. I would also
    suspect the sender unit. Have a look at what i found in a 1981 245DL at
    http://contrex-consulting.ca/245dl_1981_restoration.html. Go to section
    3.1 Fuel injection system, and look for notes about the fuel sender. If
    the sender unit is bad, you are in for a lot of work. Finally, it is
    possible that the connections to the instrument cluster need cleaning.

    / JCH
     
    jch, Sep 30, 2005
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  10. rogadelic

    jch Guest

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    Note that this ground connection also provides the current path for the
    in-tank fuel pump. The spade connector on top of the fuel sender top
    must also be checked and cleaned. To reach that connector, remove the
    two screws on the sender access cover. Reseal the cover with fresh
    caulking compound if needed.

    / JCH
     
    jch, Sep 30, 2005
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  11. I thought it was separate in the 760, but I could be wrong. It can also be
    different in the 240 anyway. If it is a combo ground, it won't take much
    resistance to drive the guage crazy.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Oct 1, 2005
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  12. rogadelic

    rogadelic Guest

    Okay guys. I've determined that the shifting issue is just a matter of
    the car not having been driven much over the last 10 years. The
    previous owner just kept it for his housekeeper to make weekly runs to
    the market. So now it's broken in a bit more and working fine. But the
    gas level sender issue remains, and I thank you for your input.
     
    rogadelic, Oct 18, 2005
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  13. rogadelic

    Stef Caunter Guest

    Change oil in gearbox.

    Gas sender level - wiring. The wire is intermittent from the sender to the
    gauge. The 2 devices themselves are not prone to failure, the wire is.
     
    Stef Caunter, Oct 22, 2005
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