1990 240 Battery Drain Caused by Short in Fuel Pump Circuit?

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by E. Woods, Nov 20, 2003.

  1. E. Woods

    E. Woods Guest

    Hello and Help!

    I have been working on my own 240's for several years and am
    reasonably competent with mechanics but have little experience with
    electrical problems and terminology. I have searched this board
    thoroughly but have not been able to find the information I am looking
    for in this particular situation. I have been reading this board for
    years and don't know where else to turn.

    PROBLEM: I have a 1990 240. My battery drained overnight when I
    recently left the glovebox door open for ~18 hours. The next day I
    got a jumpstart, drove the car to work, ran some errands in the
    evening (starting the car several times with no problems), and parked
    it overnight. The next morning, however, the battery was almost
    completely drained and the car would not turn over. Both nights the
    temperature had dipped into the low thirties.

    INVESTIGATION:

    1) POSSIBLE BAD BATTERY: I took the battery (age unknown) to the local
    auto parts store and had it charged and load tested, which resulted
    "good," although I am not sure I entirely trust that considering the
    battery was almost completely drained twice.

    2) POSSIBLE SHORT: I connected a voltmeter/ammeter in series with the
    negative lead of the battery (now fully charged), which registered
    current draw of > 150 mA. The car was turned off (naturally) and the
    radio and interior lights/clock fuses pulled. I don't suspect the
    alternator, which puts out 14+ volts, but I disconnected it anyway to
    eliminate the stuck-diode possibility with no resulting drop in the
    current draw. Leaving the alternator disconnected, I pulled the
    remaining fuses in the fuse box (corrosion free) one at a time with no
    resulting drop in current draw. Stumped, I looked under the hood for
    the problem. When I pulled the 25-amp fuse for the fuel pump circuit,
    the current draw on the battery went to zero. Eureka! or so I
    thought.

    3) FUEL PUMP CIRCUIT: I checked the fuse and housing for signs of
    corrosion (non present) as well as the relay under the passenger-side
    dash (no corrosion present). With the battery connected, I metered
    between the red lead (#30 at the relay)and a ground and measured
    current, which doesn't seem right to me. When I completely
    disconnected the fuse circuit from the battery (disconnecting the wire
    from the side of the post) and disconnected the relay, leaving the
    fuse intact, then checked for continuity between the relay lead and
    ground, the meter shows continuity. At this point, shouldn't I
    effectively be measuring the continuity of a loose wire with something
    it is not attached to? It seems to me (and I may be grossly wrong)
    that there has to be a short somewhere between the fuse and the relay.

    QUESTIONS:

    The sub-par manuals I have, Chilton and Haynes, have limited
    schematics and none depicting the fuel pump circuit, so I don't know
    exactly what I am looking at.

    1) Should there be any power drawn by the fuel pump circuit when the
    car is shut off? I probably would have read about this in other
    descriptions of battery drain problems and testing procedures.

    2) Are there any interuptions/junctions in the circuit between the
    battery terminal lead and the under dash relay lead besides the 25-amp
    fuse, or is it a straight shot? I tried to visually follow the
    harness and don't see any "breaks." I have considered running a
    bypass wire directly from the blade fuse to the relay in order to see
    if that makes a difference, but am concerned that I may be bypassing
    some hidden junction.

    3) Is there something obvious that I should be taking into
    consideration, or am I on the right track?

    THANKS: I have almost run out of ideas and am not yet ready to swap
    the battery and alternator with the hope of correcting the problem
    "magically." I have to take a trip next weekend and hope to resolve
    this problem before then. Otherwise, it looks like I will be pulling
    the battery cable every time I park my not-so-trusty Swedish steed.
    Any advice or criticisms this group has to offer will be tremendously
    appreciated. As I mentioned earlier, I only have a passing familiarity
    with electrics and electrical terminology, so I will be glad to
    clarify anything in my description that does not make sense.

    Thanks Again,

    Ezekiel Woods
     
    E. Woods, Nov 20, 2003
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  2. To me your method och checking sounds right.

    When you did your tests, did you have the ignition key removed?

    I am not sure, but I would think the fuel pump is switched via the
    ignition key. Is there really +12 V at the 25A switch with the ignition
    key removed?

    A good battery has a capacity of about 60 Ah. If it is fully charged it
    would take 30/0.150=200 hours to drain half the capacity at 150 mA. Even
    if 150 mA are mysteriously drained, it should definitely not drain a
    sound battery overnight.

    You measured current as "more than 150mA". Was that because your
    instrument was limited to 150? Could it be several Amperes being
    drained? That would give you potential problems overnight. Otherwise it
    sounds as if your battery is bad. Bad batteries typically give full
    voltage when charged but their storage capacity is close to zero.

    18 hours of glove compartment should be no problem. If there is a 5 W
    bulb there, it draws 0.5 A (rougly). In 18 hrs that amounts to 9 Ah,
    which would be absolutely no problem for a healthy battery. Even a 10 W
    bulb for 18 hours should give no starting problems unless you live in
    Alaska and it's winter.


    --
    Gunnar

    240 Turbo Wagon '84 200 K Miles
    940 Wagon '92 150 K Miles
    on Swedish roads
     
    Gunnar Eikman, Nov 20, 2003
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  3. E. Woods

    Mike F Guest

    Completely draining a battery twice will not necessarily kill it. Also,
    a battery can test OK under the load a starter requires, yet discharge
    itself over a period of time due to an internal fault. I had a battery
    that would start the car fine on a cold day, provided the car had been
    used recently, but was completely dead within a week if not charged,
    even when disconnected.

    Ordinarily you'd like to see no more than 100 mA draw total with the car
    off.
    The wire goes from the fuse to the relay and fuel computer directly.
    This wire may be also connected to other things in the fuel system, that
    don't use current until the computer grounds them. You really need a
    wire diagram book to know everywhere this wire goes. The fuel computer
    has memory circuits that need constant power, like the radio. The fuel
    pump relay only draws current when the fuel computer grounds it. AFTER
    REMOVING THE FUSE, disconnect the fuel computer from the harness, and
    see if the draw changes. Do this test with the fuel pump relay, and any
    other component that is connected to this wire. The only current should
    be a very small amount (under 10 mA) for the computer memory.

    Instead of disconnecting the battery, just pull that 25A fuse.
     
    Mike F, Nov 21, 2003
    #3
  4. E. Woods

    E. Woods Guest

    I measured +12 V between the negative terminal and ground cable. With
    the car turned off and the key removed, I should not detect any
    current or voltage in that circuit. Right?

    Unfortunately, my meter is of the small, cheap variety. When I do the
    amperage tests the meter pegs beyond 150 mA. I am guessing that it is
    at least several amperes being drained.

    As for the battery, I had it tested at the local parts store, and
    their equipment indicated my battery was good. Is that sort of bench
    test reliable? It would probably be a good idea to replace the
    battery at this point because I don't know its age and it has been
    drained completely twice remaining uncharged for several days in cold
    weather. But, I am reluctant to install a new battery, if I have what
    appears to be a short in the system that will just as likely damage a
    new battery.

    Do you know whether I can directly bypass the suspect wire (buried in
    the harness) with a wire from the 25A fuse directly to the fuel pump
    relay, or will I also be bypassing some other component or hidden
    junction by doing so? I have visually traced the harness and don't
    see anything that looks like a problem, but since I don't have a
    wiring diagram for the circuit, I can't be sure.

    Thanks, Gunnar, for your input and the brief lesson on amperage, amp
    hours, and battery drain. As I said, in my initial post, I don't know
    much about electricity but am trying to approach things deductively.
    While I am annoyed on the practical level with my current situation in
    that I need to make a long trip with the car next week, I do
    appreciate the situation on another level as an opportunity to learn
    something new.
     
    E. Woods, Nov 21, 2003
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