1990 740GL, electrical strangeness

Discussion in 'Volvo 740' started by JayR, Jan 23, 2006.

  1. JayR

    JayR Guest

    After driving to a fish pond on a rough, bumpy dirt road, my 1990 740
    started doing some strange things.

    When I turned on the headlights, the wipers come on. I had to pull the
    horn/wiper fuse to get home without the wipers screeching on the dry
    windshield.

    The next day, I noticed that the power windows were dead, but the fuse
    looks good (I don't have a 30A handy to actually switch it out and test it).

    Next, the turn signals went out, and the fuse is blown. However, when I
    put in a new fuse, it blows immediately.

    Obviously, something electical is wrong. A short somewhere perhaps?
    How is something like this diagnosed by the home mechanic?

    Thanks,
    Jay R.
     
    JayR, Jan 23, 2006
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  2. On the inside of each wing (on my UK spec 740, at least) is a bunch of earth
    (ground) terminals. I'd start by checking all of them as 740s seem to have
    real problems with earthing. Check the engine earth strap too (attached to
    the bulkhead). It seems that it was made a little too short - mine had
    snapped.

    Si
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Jan 23, 2006
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  3. JayR

    JayR Guest

    Sounds good, I'll check. Er, what's the USA word for what is called a
    "wing" in the UK?
     
    JayR, Jan 24, 2006
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  4. Fender. Boot is Trunk, Bonnet is Hood, estate is wagon, saloon is sedan,
    Sills are Rocker Panels, manifolds are headers. I may be wrong about Fender,
    but it is the word that sprang to mind.

    All the best, Peter.

    700/900/90 Register Keeper,
    Volvo Owners Club (UK).
     
    Peter K L Milnes, Jan 24, 2006
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  5. JayR

    zencraps Guest

    fender
     
    zencraps, Jan 24, 2006
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  6. Fender
     
    Administrator, Jan 24, 2006
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  7. Heh! Fenders, as others have said. I imagine that our continued use of the
    word "wing" originated from early cars where the fenders did look a little
    like wings...
    http://www.classiccarshop.co.uk/Cars/bentley_mk_v.htm

    Si
     
    Mungo \Two Sheds\ Toadfoot, Jan 24, 2006
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  8. JayR

    mccreadys4 Guest

    I have just gone through the same deal with my 90 wagon.
    After going to all the forums I could and getting the ground is bad
    answer. I finally tore into it with a vengeance.
    If this hasn't been repaired yet you will need to take out the glove
    box and the kick panel on the passengers side.
    You will find a cluster of red wires all hooked into a buss bar by
    spade connectors.
    this will be covered by a plastic cover which may show signs of melting
    from the heat generated by a poor connection. Hey Volvo fire the bum
    who came up with this little fire starter!!
    Once you find it their are 2 ways of fixing it .
    You can cut off all the spade connectors and twist and solder , wire
    nut and electrical tape the whole wad, or you may chose to solder the
    spades onto the buss bar as I did.
    Either way that took care of most of my electrical spooks.
    You can do it now or you can do it later but you Will be doing it
    sometime as this set up causes a lot of grief to Volvo owners. Mine
    caused the car to quit while in traffic and wouldn't start until days
    later at my garage when this mess was found.
    And oh ya I checked all the ground stuff twice!!
    Good Luck
    Mac
     
    mccreadys4, Jan 24, 2006
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  9. JayR

    JayR Guest

    Mac,

    This sounds great, I will definitely make this a project.

    Regarding my 740, I checked the grounding harnesses inside each fender.
    There were two on the passenger side, and one on the driver's side.
    They did not look corroded and were properly affixed. I didn't see any
    wires that appeared to have come unclipped from either fender ground.

    I did find one more clue to my problem. I noticed that my driver's side
    headlight is extremely dim. When I turn on the left turn signal, both
    the driver's side headlight and the flasher blink weakly. The passenger
    side light is fine.

    So right now the turn signals are working again (new fuse that didn't
    blow immediately this time) and the power windows have resumed working,
    mysteriously. However, I still have the dim headlight and the wipers
    still come on when I turn on my headlights. So something's still not
    right and I need to get it fixed, but I am driving the car.

    JayR.
     
    JayR, Jan 24, 2006
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  10. JayR

    Mike F Guest

    Whenever you have dim lights, and switches from one device affecting
    another, then I always suspect grounds. Keep in mind the problem can be
    anywhere on the ground wire from the connection at the device to the
    connection on the body.

    --
    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, Jan 26, 2006
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  11. JayR

    JayR Guest

    Ok, then it's pretty certain I've got a grounding issue. If I've
    already looked in the obvious places and don't see bad connection, is
    there a way to locate a bad ground, like a tool of some kind?

    JR
     
    JayR, Jan 26, 2006
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  12. JayR

    Mike F Guest

    One tool that is necessary would be a voltmeter. Put one lead on the
    negative battery terminal. Measure the voltage at the ground wire at
    the headlight. It should be close to zero, I'd say maximum about 0.3
    V. Another tool that would be very helpful is a wiring diagrams manual,
    so you know which colour wires are supposed to do what.
    Because your wipers are turning on, I ask the question, what are your
    windshield washers doing during all this?

    --
    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, Jan 27, 2006
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  13. JayR

    JayR Guest

    Washers are inactive -- it seems to be affecting only the wiper motor.
     
    JayR, Jan 27, 2006
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  14. JayR

    Mike F Guest

    What turns the wipers on other than the wiper switch? The washer pump.
    Energizing the washer pump fires up the wiper motor, so if your
    headlight is being grounded through the washer pump, then the wiper
    relay will be receiving a signal down that wire, and will turn the
    wipers on. Try disconnecting the wires at the washer pump.

    --
    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, Jan 27, 2006
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  15. JayR

    JayR Guest

    Rather than just rely on my visual inspection, I decided to follow the
    advice here and disconnect/clean/reconnect the ground wires inside the
    fenders. Vallah! Problem gone.

    I still don't really understand why my #8 fuse (turn signals) was
    blowing immediatly upon insertion, but everything's back to normal now.

    Thanks to all who responded!
     
    JayR, Jan 30, 2006
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    John Robertson, Feb 5, 2006
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