240 overheating with ice-cold radiator

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by egykutya, Dec 28, 2006.

  1. egykutya

    egykutya Guest

    My 240 Diesel (1986) started to overheat, it takes approx. 15 minutes
    to reach the red zone (it's winter now and below freezing outside).
    When I stop the engine and check, the motor is hot, the radiator is
    completely cold everywhere.
    I replaced the thermostat yesterday, it did not help anything.
    The system is filled with a blend of antifreeze and dist.water.
    There's no loss of water, the sytem did not seeem to leak anywhere. The
    hoses are in good condition, but the radiator (all metal modell) is as
    old as the car. It does not leak but the little copper lamells are
    falling out almost everywhere.
    Is it possible that the radiator is completely blocked,so that the
    water is not circulating at all, or do you think that there's something
    else wich could cause the problem?

    It's the second time that I drain the whole thing completely in a week
    so I got a bit of routine with this part so changing the radiator would
    not be such a technical problem, but I would prefer to be sure that
    this is the problem before spend all my savings on buying a new
    radiator.
    It would be a great help if someone had an idea about it.

    Thanks
    Andrea
     
    egykutya, Dec 28, 2006
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  2. egykutya

    Josh Guest

    Is there a pump that circulates the fluid around? Sounds like you have
    a dead water pump
     
    Josh, Dec 28, 2006
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  3. egykutya

    Tim.. Guest

    I doubt the radiator would go from flowing to completely blocked
    'overnight'. The most obvious candidate is the impeller has fallen off the
    water pump.

    Tim..
     
    Tim.., Dec 28, 2006
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  4. egykutya

    M-gineering Guest

    If the heater works poorly you probably have no circulation, if it does
    work well you might have a blockage somewhere. Drain the coolant system
    and stick a gardenhose in the various hoses and see what happens. I once
    found a freezeplug which would jam the thermostat shut. On cooling down
    the thermostat shut completely causing the freezeplug to drop down again
    in the cylinderhead!
     
    M-gineering, Dec 28, 2006
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  5. egykutya

    egykutya Guest

    Thanks for the water-pump advice, I was kind of hoping it wouldn't be
    that, since I do not have a good description how to change it (I foud
    one description but for gasoline engines and I expect it's not the same
    on the diesel).
    I was searching the internet high and low for a Haynes manual wich
    would talk about the Volvo 240 DL with Volkswagen engine but it does
    not seem to exist or I did not search well.
    My second thought is to try to find a Haynes for Volkswagen and apply
    it with the Volvo but I have no clue wich Volkswagen would have the
    same motor than my Volvo so I'm kind of stuck.
    The heating works perfect we have a sauna on wheels if I put it on
    MAX.
    The radiator did show some signs of overheating in the summer
    (trafic-jam on the highway for 4 hours) or if I drive above 100 km/h..

    In any case I have to take out the radiateur even if I want to get to
    the waterpump, isn't it? (so I might start for hunting for the blockage
    with the radiator?)
    Wouldn't it make some kind of noise if the waterpump is out of work?
    Would it harm the car if I drain the system take out the radiateur and
    it is staying on the street (around zero or bit bellow freezing)
    without antifreeze meanwhile I'm hunting for blockage and charging
    around for parts?

    Perhaps I'm overworried about my car but I'm the second owner of it,
    the previous one had it for 20 years and kept it in avery nice general
    condition so I try not to ruin it.

    Andrea
     
    egykutya, Dec 28, 2006
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  6. A suction side radiator hose getting soft and sucking flat could cause your
    problem or a thermostat froze in the closed position. I have seen water
    pump impellers either corrode away or fall off.
    Dale P...........
     
    Dale_Peterson, Dec 29, 2006
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    Josh Guest

    Look in the engine bay for a plate with the engine type on it, the
    manual might point u in the right direction. Using this code you can
    probably find the right engine type. EG my volvo has B23E engine type,
    this is stamped on the passenger side suspention mount
     
    Josh, Dec 29, 2006
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    M-gineering Guest

    Not at all. The waterpump is used to tension the timing belt which has
    to be removed, so getting at it is a large job. The engine is the same
    as used in the VW LT van. Still think you have a blockage somewhere
     
    M-gineering, Dec 29, 2006
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    Tony Guest

    Also possible is a blocked breather, so when you fill up the cooling
    system the radiator doesn't fill up. Just had this on a 940 Turbo.

    You can check the radiator for blockages, just remove the hoses and blow
    through it, blocking any breather/filler hoses.
     
    Tony, Dec 29, 2006
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