78 244 DL B21F Cold Weather

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by juajuara, Jan 5, 2009.

  1. juajuara

    juajuara Guest

    I would appreciate your opinion on a few cold weather issues.
    Apologies for not know much about the vehicle.

    1. Idle has gone beserk. Actually, it's stuck in high idle. Starts
    great, idle continues to rise. Is this rig's idle vacuum controlled?

    2. Throttle Pedal sticks. Might have a little water in the cable? Any
    suggestions on "fixing" a sticky cable? Could even be the pedal
    itself.

    3. Junk tires. Ok, I know how to fix this one! If someone has some
    spare wheels/tires though, shout.

    4. Temperature selector sticks. For a while I didn't have enough
    antifreeze in it. (Been really cold). Now I have the antifreeze
    fixed, but until it's at operating temperature, the temperature
    selector still sticks. Thoughts?

    5. A lot of the door handles are flaky. Anyone have suggestion on
    finding replacements? Passenger inside handle is missing (always has
    been during my ownership).

    6. Seems to have a lot of slop over bumps. More pronounced in the
    cold. I have replace nearly the entire front end, not sure what else
    could be wrong: ball joints, bushings, tie rods. Certainly shocks
    need replacement, but I don't see that as causing the steering slop.
    Could be the steering gear? Biggest problem here is, the guy before
    me ran it without the power steering, so I have it disconnected and am
    just strong arming it. Car isn't worth $100, so I don't do much.
    Probably have to find a donor car that I can steel the whole front end
    off of?

    Thanks,
    edg
     
    juajuara, Jan 5, 2009
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  2. juajuara

    James Sweet Guest


    Most of them used a simple thermal valve, a heater in it is powered when
    the ignition is on, as it heats up, a bimetal valve closes and gradually
    drops the idle. It sounds like you have a vacuum leak, it would be good
    to replace all the vacuum hoses and in fact all the rubber hoses in the
    car, they're old and deteriorated and driving around with them is asking
    for a breakdown.

    It could be any one of those things, or a sticky kickdown cable if it is
    an automatic, or the cable may have slipped off the throttle spool.
    Disconnect it from the spool and work the pedal and spool separately to
    isolate the problem.
    Might want to post your location. IMO nothing looks better on a 240 than
    a set of Virgos, the OEM 5 spoke "turbo" wheels.

    Not much to it, a cable and a nearby heater control valve. Either the
    cable or the valve is binding, figure out which then repair or replace.
    Location? Several good salvage yards in my area, no idea about yours.
    Door handles and related hardware from any year 240 will work, 1975-1993
    are identical.

    I've seen the steering shafts fail at the collapsible joint. With the
    car parked, have someone wiggle the steering wheel while you look under
    the hood. You should be able to tell if the slop is in the steering rack
    or the shaft. As for the other slop, bushings will be shot for sure, so
    will the rear trailing arm bushings, you need a special tool to replace
    those but plans are out there to build your own which is what I did.
    Don't get bushings of any sort from a donor, they'll be just as worn out
    as the ones you have. As for the value, you will get more than $100
    worth of transportation out of it won't you? IMO the resale value of a
    car is irrelevant unless you are trying to sell it. There's nothing
    wrong with putting $1000 into a $100 car if it will serve for long
    enough to get $1100 of use out of it. How many payments on the cheapest
    new car you can find will be covered by that? I've probably put $3,000
    into my $500 car, but I've been driving it for almost a decade so the
    annual cost has been negligible.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 5, 2009
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  3. juajuara

    juajuara Guest

    Do you have a good source for hose? I'm, sure all the fuel lines need
    to be replaced as well, but none of the local (Helena, MT) carry a
    suitable hose for the high pressure fuel. I end up having to order
    most my parts from IPD or FCP Groton. Not much in the way of salvage
    here either: a few hundered miles the closest slavager of size.
    Helena MT.
    Thanks, the years will help out a ton.
    Yeah, I agree, I had a momentary "the grass is greener on the other
    side of the fence." Thanks for all the suggestions and your time.
     
    juajuara, Jan 6, 2009
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  4. juajuara

    James Sweet Guest

    Don't mess with the fuel lines unless they've been physically damaged.
    The high pressure lines are not rubber, they only have a rubber sheath
    over the internal hose, and they are all custom parts which may or may
    not be available still. This is assuming of course that this is a USA
    spec car with K-jet injection. The hoses you want to change are the
    vacuum lines, available from any autoparts store, and then the upper and
    lower radiator hoses, expansion tank hose, and most importantly due to
    how hidden they are, the two hoses behind the engine that route coolant
    to the heater. Nobody ever changes those, they split and dump all the
    coolant down onto the road so you never see it and then the engine
    overheats. FCP Groton is my favorite source for this stuff,
    alloemvolvoparts.com is good too.

    No idea then, but someone here might be near you. Could also check
    craigslist, ebay, and the iPD classifieds.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 7, 2009
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  5. juajuara

    jon5707 Guest

    I once had a sticking cruise control cable on a Ford with very serious
    problems when it jammed open the throttle on a steep hill then when I went
    over the top I couldn't shut it off .I placed a balloon with synthetic oil
    at one end of the cable after cleaing it through first .Then worked the
    cable back and forth till the oil went through and out the other end .Never
    again did it stick .
    You can clean it through first using a balloon full of degreasing agent .
     
    jon5707, Jan 7, 2009
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  6. juajuara

    juajuara Guest

    Yes that's my experience, I have two fuel lines that need replaced:
    One is on the low pressure side, from the pressure regulator return to
    the fuel tank, so it's not as critical. The other goes from the fuel
    filter to the fuel distributor. Any thoughts there? I haven't been
    able to find this line. Been thinking about using Aeroequip
    Socketless hose:
    http://store.summitracing.com/partd...&N=700+4294733687+4294923289+115&autoview=sku

    It looks like it should spec, but I really don't want to have to mess
    with the fuel line from the filter to the distributor. It's messed up
    near the filter, so if I could just replace that end, and then extend
    it about 6-8" it'd be back in business.
    Agreed I'll keep an eye on it.
     
    juajuara, Jan 7, 2009
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  7. juajuara

    James Sweet Guest


    Shoot, I threw away both of those when I converted my 242 to Megasquirt,
    didn't think anyone would need them, but then the hoses are longer on
    turbos because of the fuel distributor location. Are there any salvage
    yards near you? Any K-jet 240 should have those.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 7, 2009
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  8. juajuara

    juajuara Guest

    Yep, found the leak, and works great now. When it gets warmer out I
    plan to do more hose replacement. Fine for getting around town for
    now. Any tips for getting to the heater core hoses? Take the
    manifold off?
    I checked out the steering system components, and I think they're
    fine. So my guess is suspension, and probably just horribly worn
    struts? I replaced all the bushings in the suspension except for sway
    bar. Replaced inner and outer tie rods, and ball joints. Only time I
    really notice the slop is when I drive off a sloped curb at work. I
    get a clunk when the angle gets most acute, and then a clunk back when
    the car levels side to side again. Make sense?
     
    juajuara, Jan 9, 2009
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  9. juajuara

    juajuara Guest

    Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Only sticks at WOT, which I only get
    during starting, and hasn't done it lately as it's been a little
    warmer. It was below 0 for about 5 days, and hovering around 20 below
    at night, and that's when it stuck. I find WOT, with a quick hit on
    the ignition to let the pressure build to help her cough a little
    quicker when it's that cold. Anyone else have cold start tips? Might
    have to get a block heater one of these days. Hasn't been this cold
    for quite a few years though!
     
    juajuara, Jan 9, 2009
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  10. juajuara

    James Sweet Guest

    Small hands? :) I hate changing heater hoses, it's a real pain.
    Removing the intake manifold does help greatly though, not that it's any
    fun to do that either.

    A clunk is probably a broken strut cartridge, I had that happen in my
    240, when I pulled it out of the tube, the bottom cap fell off. The
    symptom was similar.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 9, 2009
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