855 airbag service vs change

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by viktor weisshaeupl, Apr 15, 2007.

  1. The service label on my 855 TDI 1996 tells me to have the SIPS and SRS airbag
    systems serviced or exchanged in April 2007. What exactly would "service" mean?
    What is reasonable and economical to do?

    Viktor
     
    viktor weisshaeupl, Apr 15, 2007
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  2. The service label on my 855 TDI 1996 tells me to have the SIPS and SRS
    Volvo has extended the lifetime of the airbags, so far by 5 years or more,
    cant remember exactly.

    Greetings Niels
     
    Niels Bengaard, Apr 15, 2007
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  3. This is an administrative problem, IMO. There is no way to test airbags for
    deterioration, but many car mfrs wanted to demonstrate due diligence on
    recommended maintenance so they recommended "inspection intervals" - perhaps
    in the hope there would be more info when the time came. Now the time has
    come. I don't believe there are enough air bag failures to identify a
    reasonable life expectancy. Finally, replacement of air bags is unreasonably
    expensive for any car old enough that it is an issue.

    About all you can do is ensure any SRS warnings are taken care of if they
    pop up and enjoy your car.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 15, 2007
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    James Sweet Guest


    Are there even any documented airbag failures? I know I saw a clip one
    point where they tested a very early airbag in a 20+ year old car and it
    still deployed as designed.
     
    James Sweet, Apr 16, 2007
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  5. I'll second this. Prolonged for five years, AFAIK.


    Regards, Torsten
     
    Torsten Beekhuis, Apr 16, 2007
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  6. Interesting. One of the reasons why I switched from the 745 to the 855 were the
    airbags. I did not want to give the retirement insurance the chance to collect
    my money without having to pay anything :) . Do the airbags work with dry
    explosives ignited by electricity? Or are there pressurized gases which are
    released? If there are any electric contact problems, e.g. at the steering wheel
    air bag, I expect the SRS warning system to report that?

    Regards

    Viktor
     
    viktor weisshaeupl, Apr 21, 2007
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    Gary Heston Guest

    An airbag actuator is a sealed propellant charge, not an explosive. They
    are ignited electrically and burn very fast to create gasses which inflate
    the bag. The gasses are vented almost immediately, still hot enough to
    cause serious burns (as a co-workers' spouse found out the hard way).
    Yes, it'll be checking continuity and will generate a fault if it's
    not within a certain range.


    Gary
     
    Gary Heston, Apr 21, 2007
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    James Sweet Guest


    They use a chemical charge which is usually sodium azide and an
    oxidizer, it's an explosive in the same way as black gunpowder in that
    if you put it in a sealed enclosure it will explode but it's really just
    burning very rapidly. In the case of an airbag, the expanding gasses
    fill the bag. It's ignited electrically.

    Those things are scary to me, even just on this group there have been a
    couple reports of accidental airbag deployments when water got in the
    control box and plenty of people are injured when the bag deploys while
    their arms are in the way. You also have to be very careful working on
    airbag equipped cars and always disconnect the battery before messing
    around. In theory the SRS warning will detect faults, in practice
    there's so many ways for a circuit to malfunction that you can never
    predict them all. Personally I always wear my seatbelt, make sure it's
    properly adjusted, pay attention, and drive defensively. I won't buy an
    airbag equipped car, and if I did, I'd certainly disconnect or remove it.
     
    James Sweet, Apr 21, 2007
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  9. I have looked the stuff up myself now. The oxidizer is potassium nitrate, the
    resulting compounds are nitrogen gas, which fills the bag after ignition within
    20-40 msec, and potassium and sodium oxide. Newer air bags work with an
    additional compressed gas container.
    Still an arm injury is usually less life threatening than the injuries which the
    airbags can prevent. The energy is dissipated over a bigger area and time. When
    wearing only seat belts, the pressure of the belt over a smaller area and the
    head banging around can cause nasty injuries to the big vessels behind the
    clavicle and in the neck.
    Not turning off brain.exe is always important, I proceed as you except with the
    air bags now. Of course the seatbelt has always to be used and the airbag does
    not replace it, it is an additional protection. Statistics state that the
    airbags reduce letality of car accidents over the protection given by seat belts
    alone, so I believe in it. Even a seat belt can be lethal in an accident, but
    these cases are very rare, in most instances it protects, so I do also use it
    even knowing that there is a little chance that it kills me. Hopefully I will
    need neither of them.

    Regards

    Viktor
    The e-mail in the header is never read
    personal e-mail vikwei at gmx dot at
     
    viktor weisshaeupl, Apr 21, 2007
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