'90 740 running rich and getting TERRIBLE mileage. Ayudame!

Discussion in 'Volvo 740' started by daveyfung, Jul 6, 2005.

  1. daveyfung

    daveyfung Guest

    '90 8v 740 is still getting around 13 MPG. I've been getting the 213,
    232, and 231 error codes. Idle still seems jumpy, lack of power, and i
    get a strange blip at 1200 rpms whenever the engine is slowing from
    2000 rpms. Thus far, I've...

    -replaced O2 sensor
    -replaced Fuel Pressure Regulator
    -replaced sparks, cap, and rotor
    -spark cables ok
    -cleaned and resecured ground connections
    -checked proper voltages coming from ECT
    -No vacuum leaks (ACTUALLY, I just found a disconnected vacuum hose at
    the charcoal can. Surely this wont do anythign!?)
    -No exhaust leaks
    -AMM appears to be fine (car nearly dies when you unplug it)
    -TPS adjusted properly
    -Idle control valve cleaned
    -All fuses fine

    I'm about ready to give up and am hoping somebody has some guidance or
    suggestions.....
     
    daveyfung, Jul 6, 2005
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  2. Have you cleaned the throttle butterfly and throat area? This can get very
    coked up and should be cleaned every two years along with the AMM (MAF) and
    IACV.also make sure that the PCV system is thoroughly clean and operating
    correctly. It takes almost a whole can of carb fluid to clean the throttle
    block assembly. Also check on the Brickboard FAQs.

    Code 213 = Throttle position switch signal faulty at full load. Codes 231 &
    232 = fuel supply too weak or too rich in part load stage (231); fuel supply
    too weak or too rich at idling (232).

    Suggestion is to read and clear the codes indicated then see if any of them
    return subsequently. Also check the Ignition codes (pin 6 of Diagnostic
    unit). Code 1-4-3 = knock sensor signal absent or faulty. This code
    corresponds to the poor performance and high fuel consumption and lack of
    power.

    All the best, Peter.

    700/900/90 Register Keeper,
    Volvo Owners Club (UK).
     
    Peter K L Milnes, Jul 7, 2005
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  3. daveyfung

    James Sweet Guest

    Have you checked very carefully for leaks in the flex hose to the intake
    manifold?
     
    James Sweet, Jul 7, 2005
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  4. daveyfung

    daveyfung Guest

    Note: In regards to cleaning the flame trap, PCV, and thottle body,
    i've done all that. Just forgot to list.

    So I took it to a one man volvo specialist who claims that the problem
    with my running rich is due to the ECU not properly interpreting the
    TPS signal (which i measure to be correct). Is this true or possible?
    He is wanting $800 for a new ECU and claims he needs to personally
    install it (when i mentioned me doing it instead) because the ECU's
    need for calibration. As far as I can tell, the ECU is a plug and play
    device that will adapt and learn. No calibration needed.

    Is this guy full of it on both counts? (1. needing ecu, 2.
    calibration)
     
    daveyfung, Jul 9, 2005
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  5. You're right; he's wrong - on both counts. At least you learned somebody to
    stay away from.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jul 9, 2005
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  6. Getting back to the start...

    Anybody disagree that the symptoms come from running excessively rich, at
    least at cruise and at wide open throttle? (I'm assuming the ignition timing
    is correct - the sensor in the '90 looks at the flywheel IIRC.)

    The big problem is that most of the usual suspects have been eliminated -
    fuel pressure regulator, AMM, vacuum leaks.... The ECU knows the mixture is
    way off, as evidenced by the codes, but the mixture is nowhere near being in
    range so it can't compensate. The only other thing I can think of is the
    head temperature sensor - on my '85 turbo it is located under the intake
    manifold, around branch #3, way up. The connection to mine has been
    intermittent since I replaced the engine harness, and it produces lack of
    power under boost when it doesn't make contact. Maybe in a non-turbo the
    symptoms show up at lower throttle? Anyway, I suppose you could unplug it
    and make sure you see a corresponding code show up. It probably won't get
    you any closer to a fix, but at least your arm will be oily ;-)

    Did this just start out of the blue one day?

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jul 9, 2005
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  7. daveyfung

    James Sweet Guest


    He's full of it, not only is a new ECU dead easy to install with no
    adjustments or calibration whatsoever, but $800 is a ludicrous price. That's
    a 15 year old car, there's zillions of them in junkyards, a good used ECU
    should be $30-$100 tops, any more and you're getting ripped off. Find
    another mechanic or keep poking around until you solve the problem yourself.
     
    James Sweet, Jul 9, 2005
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  8. I have suggested that he checks the ignition codes as well. One code (1-4-3)
    gives the same symptoms as the two fuel codes (2-3-1 & 2-3-2). Regina system
    does not come up with any of these codes. The ignition code is for the knock
    sensor and/or wiring. He has not touched these as far as I know. If he has
    not seen or read the message please pass this on.

    All the best, Peter.

    700/900/90 Register Keeper,
    Volvo Owners Club (UK).
     
    Peter K L Milnes, Jul 9, 2005
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