92 240 reverse light mystery

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by Douglas, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. Douglas

    Douglas Guest

    I've got good bulbs, all fuses look ok, but no reverse lights. Is there a
    switch or relay somewhere that I should look at? The car is an automatic.

    Also, only one of my rear fog lights comes on, but I can't seem to find
    any particular reason why the second one isn't also working.

    I have lightly scraped the contact areas on the printed circuits and put
    a small amount of light bulb grease on the contact surfaces to try and
    resolve this but it has had zero effect.

    Maybe I should replace the printed circuits? Honestly I don't like the
    look of them, they seem kind of cheap and I don't trust them. I'm tempted
    to solder in patch wires directly to the light socket contacts and get rid
    of those circuit sheets.

    Thanks,
    Doug
     
    Douglas, Jul 4, 2004
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  2. Douglas

    Al Dente Guest

    there is a switch on the tranny, might be defective, or perhaps just a wire
    disconnected... as for the fog light, to the best of my knowledge, there is
    only one, not two. Go figure.....
     
    Al Dente, Jul 4, 2004
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  3. Douglas

    Douglas Guest

    Aha, so its on the tranny itself and not down in the shifter area. Cool,
    I'll crawl down there next oil change and poke around. Thanks for the
    guidance.
     
    Douglas, Jul 4, 2004
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  4. Douglas

    Robert Dietz Guest

    Remove the cover for the left rear tailight assembly. The two adjacent
    black wires in the 90 degree edge connector are bridged on the circuit
    panel. Contact between the conector is notoriously poor. The plastic is
    not very heat resistant and deforms under normal operating heat loads.
    Remove the plug and check for current on one black wire, if the neutral
    safety switch is good, there will be current on that wire (key on, motor
    off, shifter in R or reverse). If there is no current there replace the
    n/s switch. If there is current there, fabricate a narrow strip of
    copper or brass shim stock the width of two contact spaces and form it
    over the edge connector on the light assembly where the black wire
    connectors make contact with the board. Reinstall the plug. The reverse
    lights should both be working barring burned out bulbs.

    Bob
     
    Robert Dietz, Jul 4, 2004
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  5. Douglas

    Randy G. Guest

    When you see where that switch is you will not be terribly happy. Mine
    is also faulty and I have been putting off changing it out.

    And in N. America at least, there is only one rear fog light. Seems
    N.A. drivers (U.S., anyway) Aren't bright enough to figure out that in
    the fog that two very bright red lights ahead means that ther eis a
    vehicle attached to them, and 2) that these should only be turned on
    when it is actually foggy...
    __ __
    Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
    \__/olvo
    '93 960 Estate
     
    Randy G., Jul 4, 2004
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  6. Douglas

    Al Dente Guest

    I think you're mistaken to say that US drivers aren't smart enough to know
    that two bright red lights would be better than one bright red light in the
    fog.... we simply didn't have any choice in the matter! However, I fear you
    might be right about us not being smart enough to use them only when in fog!
    So maybe it's better that we just don't have any "fog" lights at all.......
     
    Al Dente, Jul 4, 2004
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  7. Douglas

    Jim Carriere Guest

    all.......

    Let's back up a bit... there are a lot of drivers that aren't smart enough
    to know not to use their high beams in the fog (or when another car is
    coming towards them).

    Similarly, some cars use the high beams on low intensity as running lights.
    Most cars like that don't light up the instruments when these running lights
    are on. How many times do you see some idiot tooling along in the middle of
    the night with running lights only? How dumb can somebody be to not notice
    that their real headlights are not on, when all it takes is to look down and
    see you spedometer is dark, the gas gauge is dark...

    Back to your original point, maybe no fog lights are better. I fear you and
    I may be in agreement! :)

    As for to two bright red rear fog lights vs one bright red rear fog light, I
    used to think one was better, so it isn't confused with brake lights, but
    then again, a lot of people probably only look for the central brake light
    as a cue, and on the other other hand, a lot of people have burned out third
    brake lights...

    Auugh!
     
    Jim Carriere, Jul 4, 2004
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  8. Douglas

    taff Guest

    I am afraid that there are a lot in the UK that do the same. Maybe a
    flashing warning lamp on the dash would be a good idea. Similar to the
    seat belt warning but maybe green or amber.

    Taff.........



    www.sounds-pa.com | www.thecomputerworkshop.com
     
    taff, Jul 4, 2004
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  9. Douglas

    Randy G. Guest

    I have been riding a motorcycle in the US since 1981 and had ridden
    some even before that. I have also some experience in Europe as well.
    Add to that my service as a volunteer firefighter for five and one
    half years, part of my area of responsibility was along a mountain
    highway. You just don't want to start a discussion with me as to the
    ability (, lack of) of American drivers.

    There are a lot of folks still alive only because it is illegal to
    carry a loaded firearm on a motorcycle in California, and it is a
    felony to shoot people talking on a cell phone (although it would be
    the genetic equivalent of adding a bit of chlorine to the (gene) pool.

    Go out into any rural, and particularly desert or farming community
    and find some long, straight stretch of road. Find a bend or turn in
    it, and count the number of skid marks leading into it. This is not a
    sign of competent driving.

    It is no accident that I bought a Volvo.
    __ __
    Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
    \__/olvo
    '93 960 Estate
     
    Randy G., Jul 5, 2004
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  10. Douglas

    brackenburn Guest

    Hi Douglas,

    Regarding your rear fog lights on the '92 240:
    Do you know if both ever worked?

    When our '93 240 wagon was delivered (new), I was surprised to find only one
    rear fog light worked. Our previous 240, an '86, had both working. I found
    out that the offending fog light had a bulb already installed but no
    electrical connection. I simply ran a wire from the "good" light to the
    "bad" one, and the '93 has run like an '86 ever since................

    (I won't get into the pros and cons of one rear fog light versus two. We've
    been down that road already on this NG............. at great length!)

    Good Luck.
    Andy I.


    | I've got good bulbs, all fuses look ok, but no reverse lights. Is there a
    | switch or relay somewhere that I should look at? The car is an automatic.
    |
    | Also, only one of my rear fog lights comes on, but I can't seem to find
    | any particular reason why the second one isn't also working.
    |
    | I have lightly scraped the contact areas on the printed circuits and put
    | a small amount of light bulb grease on the contact surfaces to try and
    | resolve this but it has had zero effect.
    |
    | Maybe I should replace the printed circuits? Honestly I don't like the
    | look of them, they seem kind of cheap and I don't trust them. I'm tempted
    | to solder in patch wires directly to the light socket contacts and get rid
    | of those circuit sheets.
    |
    | Thanks,
    | Doug
    |
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    | Remove the lock from my email to reply
    |
     
    brackenburn, Jul 5, 2004
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  11. Douglas

    James Sweet Guest

    I'd rather someone behind me think I'm stopping when I'm not than the other
    way around!
     
    James Sweet, Jul 7, 2004
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  12. Douglas

    Robert Dietz Guest

    Someone mentioned a while ago that in europe the rain light needs to
    show on the passing side of the car. In LHD countries that would be on
    the left side of the car.

    Bob
     
    Robert Dietz, Jul 8, 2004
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