92 740: change old 02 sensor or not?

Discussion in 'Volvo 740' started by geronimo, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. geronimo

    geronimo Guest

    I took the old and new idler/tensioner rollers to a mechanic shop
    where I had some suspension work done at once .....and he had the
    spring swapped over to the new idler/tensioner roller in five minutes
    and charged nothing for it!


    back to the new subject:


    The 02 sensor is about a $100 part. I believe they are more prone to
    go bad than other sensors. Question is how do they go bad? I am sure
    it is old, lots of miles, but just how many is unknown as the car was
    purchased two years ago and had no service records with it. The ECM
    is not setting any code for a bad sensor now. So I am wondering if it
    is possible for one to go bad in a way that it still functions enough
    not to set a code, but causes the mixture to be set too rich?

    Thanks, geronimo
     
    geronimo, Mar 29, 2007
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  2. geronimo

    James Sweet Guest


    Usually they get lazy, if you measure the output with a multimeter it
    should be bouncing back and forth around approximately 0.5V, if this
    bouncing gets slow then the sensor should be replaced. Normally you'll
    notice significantly reduced fuel economy too.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 29, 2007
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  3. geronimo

    Perry Noid Guest

    FWIW, I replaced the O2 sensor on my '89 240 a couple years ago, using a
    Bosch 13913 sensor from Autozone... the only difference was that it didn't
    have the long leads that I needed, so I cut the old ones off the old sensor
    before I removed it from the exhaust system, cut the new connector off the
    leads of the new sensor, screwed it into the exhaust (using the anti-seize
    lube), and then connected the wires together using crimps... works fine, and
    as I recall, the generic was around $35....

    There are two white wires (heater?) and one black wire (signal?), so you
    can't go wrong...
     
    Perry Noid, Mar 29, 2007
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  4. geronimo

    James Sweet Guest


    Yep, you can save a lot by going generic so long as it's still a Bosch
    sensor.

    I've heard they fail but I have yet to have it happen on a Volvo. My
    mom's 245 was over 260K last I checked, still on the original O2 sensor
    and still manages ~30 mpg highway and passes emissions just fine so I
    have to assume the sensor is still ok.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 30, 2007
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  5. geronimo

    geronimo Guest

    Hey James, I noticed that I had to set the timing mark on the camshaft
    pulley *way off* the from the mark on the back of the timing belt
    cover, just like the damper pulley mark was way way off because it was
    slipping due to no key. Well, I took the camshaft pulley off to see
    why, and found that although at least it HAD a key...a round pin/tube
    type of key.... the portion in the end of the camshaft had entirely
    rusted away! So it too had slipped almost 90 degrees off. Maybe I can
    make a new one out of an appropriately sized old drill bit.

    But there is a big problem with the damper pulley.Have you ever had
    key or wobbling problems with one on your 240s/740s? I made a new key
    out of 3/16 barstock, which fits the groove in the damper pulley,
    installed in pulley. Should have checked the crankshaft end out first
    though! When mated up to the crankshaft I discovered that the crank
    slot is 1/4 in. (or actually the metric equivalent of that)! It
    must not be the original damper pulley! Also, the crank key slot
    isn't a straight cut but is "scalloped" or curved. So I don't know if
    one home-made out of straight barstock will even work right. I guess
    it would be weaker if it doesn't follow the curve of the slot. The
    crankshaft end and the timing sprocket LOOK perfect...yet when I
    temporarily put the damper pulley back on, I see why the pulley was
    wobbling/belts vibrating! Shoved all the way up against the crank
    sprocket (front sprocket guide on), you can rock it back and forth
    about 3/16 in.! It seems highly unlikey that there would be anything
    wrong with the sprocket or crank end....yet I went over the mating
    surface on the damper pulley with a file and it appears flat. There
    wasn't a burr or high spot. Also it is a two-piece one with rubber in
    the middle, and the rubber is very dry/cracked.....could separate
    possibly. So I guess I will get a new damper pulley, Rock Auto has a
    new one for $75.00. Very pricey! I figure the rubber on any similar
    model/ year is liable to be in just as bad shape as mine is. Then I
    will see what that does for the wobble. A new crank sprocket is about
    $40.00. If the problem is the crankshaft....but probably isn't....I
    am just totally screwed. Can't exactly take the engine down to a
    machine shop.


    Any advice on the problem?

    On second thought...maybe I will ask the brother if he will take back
    his car ;-)

    Something amusing on the radio I heard: Neil Bortz was talking about
    how it seems to him that liberal lefties prefer Volvos for some
    reason. Then he says, "DO you realize that Volvo is the only car
    model named after a body part?" ;-)


    Geronimo
     
    geronimo, Mar 31, 2007
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  6. Yes, the dampers do fail. It happened to my wife while driving in town,
    fortunately. There was a BANG and the power steering went dead. All the
    warning lights came on and she saw something roll off the road behind her.
    It was the outer part of the damper :-( Your '92 probably has about the
    number of years on it hers did at the time.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Mar 31, 2007
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  7. geronimo

    James Sweet Guest


    If the key is missing just go to the dealer and buy a new key, or a
    wrecker, from the sound of it you *really* could benefit from wandering
    around a yard with some Volvo scrap, it's by far the easiest way to get
    parts like this.

    I've heard of the harmonic balancers failing but I've never had one do
    that myself. I'm sure my time will come since my cars are older than yours.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 31, 2007
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  8. geronimo

    geronimo Guest

    I did actuallly have one fail on my now defunct 89 Volvo 740 sedan.
    My wife was driving it at the time. There was a noise, the alternator
    light came on , lost power steering, then the temp climbed into the
    red. The outer part didn't fly off, but remained on the front of the
    engine, kind of twisted around at a 45 deg. angle by the accessory
    belts, and it rubbed a big hole in the timing belt cover. What a
    mess.

    Yea, This would all be a lot simpler if I could go get a key at a
    Volvo dealer. Unfortunately it is a 150 mile drive to the closest
    one...San Antonio.


    Geronimo
     
    geronimo, Mar 31, 2007
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  9. geronimo

    James Sweet Guest

    Can you mail order one? Heck if it's the same key as a B21F uses I have
    one you can have for the cost of postage.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 31, 2007
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