'93 240 failed emission test in Ontario

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by NoOne, Jun 1, 2007.

  1. NoOne

    NoOne Guest

    Got 83 on HC (limit is 66), got .40 on CO (limit is .37) and got 903
    on NO (limit is 505).

    Plugs were changed, air filter was changed and oil (Mobil 1) was
    changed prior to test. I checked the thermostat in the air box and is
    working fine.

    Car is ONLY driven in city and has 167,000KM (~ 100,000 miles).

    Do you have any suggestions? I've been thinking about replacing the
    catalytic converter with originalVolvo part.

    Thanks.
     
    NoOne, Jun 1, 2007
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  2. NoOne

    John Horner Guest

    First I would check all of the ignition components. Assuming that is
    all well, I would put in a new oxygen sensor using a direct fit type,
    not the universal sensors which require splicing wires. Bosch and other
    suppliers offer direct plug in replacements. If you 240 still has it's
    factory sensor there is a good chance that it is responding poorly.

    Before replacing the cat I would get a before and after emissions probe
    done. That will tell the story on cat. effectiveness.

    Volvo original cats are very expensive. I replaced the one on our '93
    with a Bosal aftermarket unit at a fraction of the cost of a Volvo unit
    with good results and it has passed California smog testing.
     
    John Horner, Jun 1, 2007
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  3. NoOne

    NoOne Guest

    I forgot to write that such high readings only happen during driving
    test. At idle, I'm passing with flying colors! At idle, HC is 45
    (limit is 200) and the CO is 0.02 (limit is 1.00).

    thanks
     
    NoOne, Jun 1, 2007
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  4. NoOne

    James Sweet Guest

    It should run cleaner than that even with no cat at all, something is wrong.
    If it's only been driven around town, it may have buildup on the valves,
    could also be dirty injectors. Try dumping a bottle of Techron in the tank,
    then take it out on the highway and thrash it a bit to burn out carbon
    deposits.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 2, 2007
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  5. NoOne

    NoOne Guest

    I'll do the Techron, but would you also recommend changing the cat?
    Volvo dealer told me last week that it was $383 (CAD) + tax for the
    part. I'll do it myself.

    Thanks for the reply.
     
    NoOne, Jun 2, 2007
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  6. NoOne

    James Sweet Guest


    The cat in my mom's 240 crumbled internally years ago and has been hollow
    ever since, it still passes the emissions test easily. Unless the cat is
    plugged or crumbled, there's no sense in replacing it.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 2, 2007
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  7. My concern is that the high emissions are across the board. Normally the
    things that make CO go up make NOx go down and so on.

    My knowledge and experience are not enough to base a decision on.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 2, 2007
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  8. NoOne

    John Horner Guest

    That is why I suspect the Oxygen sensor being slow to respond. It can
    give you rapidly alternating rich and lean conditions which makes all
    the numbers go up. The emissions sniffer does an averaging function.

    John
     
    John Horner, Jun 3, 2007
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  9. I hadn't thought of that. Some O2 sensors can get mighty bad without the
    "check engine" light coming on. I think Volvos are among the least critical
    of O2 function. At any rate, the sensor is undoubtedly a ripe old age by now
    if it is the original and replacement would be a good start. Bosch
    replacements have a bad reputation; OEM through a discount reseller would be
    a safer choice.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 3, 2007
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  10. NoOne

    James Sweet Guest

    The OEM sensor *is* Bosch, I hadn't heard of the bad reputation, can you
    elaborate more on that?
     
    James Sweet, Jun 3, 2007
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  11. No direct experience myself, but a few of the experienced regulars in the
    alt.autos.honda forum warn against Bosch O2 sensors (the universal
    replacements). The response speed initially is supposed to be substandard
    and the useful life barely two years (according to one source.) The same
    source is also a proponent of replacing O2 sensors every ten years,
    especially if throttle responsiveness or fuel economy is dropping off. I
    have no opinion yet, but I'm keeping my eyes open.

    Aftermarket parts and fluids is a touchy matter among Honda/Acura folks.
    Power steering fluid and transmission fluid (manual and automatic) are
    proprietary to Honda; use of the wrong PS fluid destroys the PS seals
    quickly. Aftermarket ignition parts as well as starters and alternators are
    often so flimsy compared to OEM that many Honda die-hards accept nothing
    else. (I've experienced bad aftermarket ignition parts myself.)

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 3, 2007
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  12. NoOne

    NoOne Guest

    Thanks to all for the replies. I'll keep you up to date, but it will
    take some time. I went to Canadian Tire and bought a bootle to clean
    the injectors. After I empty the gas tank, I'll do another treatment,
    this time with a liquid supposed to clean injectors, valves, etc.

    After I'm done, I'll try the test again and will come back to provide
    you the results. But I must use two gas tanks... Give me ~ 2-3
    weeks...
     
    NoOne, Jun 4, 2007
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  13. NoOne

    clay Guest

    Be sure to run a tank through it after you use the treatment. That stuff
    will skew the results (meaning fail it) for sure.
    And, (in case you didn't know) you will get best results from the
    cleaner if you do many stops and starts rather than one 400 mile road trip.
    It seems the thermal cycles when the motor heats up and cools helps
    break loose the crud.
     
    clay, Jun 5, 2007
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  14. NoOne

    NoOne Guest

    Didn't know that. Thanks for the tip.


     
    NoOne, Jun 5, 2007
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  15. NoOne

    John Horner Guest

    I've installed Bosch replacement O2 sensors on several cars with no
    issues. The big deal is to make sure and get a direct fit one, not the
    "universal" splice in variety.

    NGK and NTK sensors are also good brands. Volvo originals are
    generally high priced.

    John
     
    John Horner, Jun 7, 2007
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  16. Sounds good to me.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 7, 2007
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  17. NoOne

    NoOne Guest

    Where can one get NGK O2 sensor? Muffler shops?

    Thanks.
     
    NoOne, Jun 9, 2007
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