94 850 20 valve Wagon

Discussion in 'Volvo 850' started by Greg, Mar 1, 2006.

  1. Greg

    Greg Guest

    I just got a 20V 850 Wagon (70k miles) towed it home and it won't
    start...seems that there is lots of fuel at rail but I don't see a lot
    on plugs. The plugs were heavily fouled with black crud when I first
    pulled them. There is good spark. I supect the injectors are not
    firing...any ideas on how to make this happen...I have been reading the
    many postings on this subject and it seems that cam sensor has come up.
    I have been cleaning up grounds but they don't seem that bad...would
    the cam sensor do this? Where is the cam sensor located? Can it be
    bypassed to verify that is the problem?

    thanks

    PS I have red many postings and I love the helpful tone of this group.
     
    Greg, Mar 1, 2006
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  2. Greg

    User Guest

    The cam sensor is bolted to the rear of the exhaust cam housing (T40 x2)
    behind the bracket for the upper torque mount. The cam sensor signal
    must be present for the fuel control system to trigger either the fuel
    pump relay or the injection control circuitry to produce spark. If you
    can find a used motor in the junkyard try to find a used sensor with the
    all metal body as opposed to the one with the black plastic cover that
    you have.

    However before changing the cam sensor blindly, pull and record any
    diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs). Install fresh plugs--single prong
    copper type plugs if it's a turbo, multiprong plugs if it's normally
    aspirated. Be aware that for cold temperatures there was a service
    upgrade for the turbo hose routing if that applies. And the use of
    multiprong plugs was an attempr to overcome cold starting issues in the
    non-turbo. Additionally the nonturbo will gas foul the plugs if started
    and stopped before the motor has had a change to warm up.

    Check the vacuum hose from the fuel pressure regulator for fuel or
    intermittent leaking.

    Both these problems are more frequent that a cam sensor failure. Which
    by the way will not leave a code unless the failure occurred while the
    engine was running. Most times the failure is during an attempted start
    and no code is written.

    Check at the coil for spark. At 70K it's likely that the ignition cap,
    rotor and wires are original.

    If the first look over for obvious no spark, and liquid fuel leaks
    yields no results, disconnect the O2 sensors and the MAF and see if the
    car will start. Both of which should have left codes in memory. If not
    you'll pop some codes but they can be reset later; Cf. brickboard.com
    <740 FAQS> <OBD> for details on mastering the pushbutton diagnostic
    panel. It's the same as on later 960's. If the motor starts, plug the
    MAF back in. If it stalls the MAF is bad. If it runs, but poorly, it may
    still be bad but check some other things first. Also plug the O2 sensors
    back together to see if there is any change.

    Check the coolant sensor wiring for integrity. Check the resistance in
    the sensor. It should not be a very large number. If it's bad it will
    leave a code. If the resistance is very high it's telling the control
    unit that it's about -40* or something and the motor will flood.

    If none of these pan out try to borrow a "noid" light from a parts store
    or buy one to fit a Bosch injector. I think Harbor Freight sells a kit
    for $10 on sale. If the control unit doesn't flash the noid light then
    either try and get a scope reading on the cam sensor wave form or just
    swap in a new one. If the waveform looks correct compared to the spec
    pattern then replace the control unit. If the wave pattern is absent
    replace the sensor. If you have gotten the all metal body drsor then
    just bolt it in anyway it's a better piece.

    Now as long as the timing belt was correct when you began, and the motor
    has compression, and none of the control fuses are blown, and there is
    actually gasoline in the tank, and the fuel pump and injection relays
    are OK, you get good fuel pressure (~3 Bar = ~43 psi) and mice haven't
    been eating the wiring harness (a wiring harness is better than sex to a
    mouse) then there's no reason the motor shouldn't run.

    Bob
     
    User, Mar 1, 2006
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  3. Greg

    Tim.. Guest


    If this car has the same UK type dual ECU's (fuel and ignition) then the CPS
    is *not* required for the engine to start. Only the Siemens and Motronic
    single ECU cars need it for start up.

    I would guess you have flooding and or lifter pump as your problem.

    Tim..
     
    Tim.., Mar 1, 2006
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  4. Greg

    Greg Guest

    Thanks Bob for the thorough reponse.

    Oh I did have to add 2+ litres of oil to bring it up to "full" is there
    an engine low oil safety that must be reset?
     
    Greg, Mar 1, 2006
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  5. Greg

    User Guest

    On this side, I'm assuming by your header that you're in Ontario, only
    the 83's had a low oil level sensor, simple float type, that leaked, was
    unreliable and removed under bulletin and in later production.

    Always check the oil cold before the motor has run. In an older engine
    that may have been susceptible to sludging from infrequent moneral oil
    changes or exclusive short trip driving, nearly a quart of oil can
    "hang" in the cam tray before draining to the sump. A 94 should have the
    red handles dipstick (as opposed to the day-glo orange dipstick). The
    red stick = 5.3qt (5.0 l) sump capacity with filter, the orange 5.6qts
    (5.3 l).

    BTW the clearing sequence command from the test panel causes the control
    unit to load a capacitor discharge command. The second press is the yes
    answer to an "are you sure?" dialog, to which the box replies memory
    registers polled, all zeroes found, execution successful.

    Bob
     
    User, Mar 2, 2006
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  6. Greg

    Greg Guest

    I have the 850 inside in my shop where it is warm and is level...the
    previous owner did not check things like oil level and tire
    pressure,she told me last time she tried it wouldn't start (december).
    I checked the fuel pressure in the header and it showed 45psi. I
    pulled a plug and saw a good spark (multi prong volvo plugs in pretty
    good shape). I cleaned the plugs and tried with no combustion. Pulled
    several plugs and it didn;t appear to be flooded...plugs were quite dry
    and I couldn't see or smell fuel in the cylinders. will try with the
    noid on the injector tommorrow if I can pick one up. I tried to get a
    OBD1 code reader but couldn't find one...for the volvo...so I can't
    access codes unless they are internal to the speedo head?

    The cam sensor has a large metal cover over the rear cam ( under
    torque bracket). I have an oscilliscope that I can hook up to the cam
    sensor...am I looking for a step function? should I just connect tot
    he output from the sensor or does it receive an excitation voltage thru
    the connection.

    I am flying blind here since there is no volvo dealer within 200km of
    me and I don't yet have a manual.
     
    Greg, Mar 2, 2006
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  7. Greg

    User Guest

    Under the hood, clipped on the control unit compartment, next to the
    windshield washer fill spout, you'll see a pair of sockets marked "A"
    (black) and "B" (gray) underneath their protective covers. There is a
    flylead attached to the A socket. Each of the sockets has numbered
    holes. To query each system insert the flylead as follows:

    A1--Transmission Modes available: 1,2,3,4
    A2--Fuel system " 1,2,3,4
    A3--ABS " 1,4
    A5--TCU/CEM (turbo control unit)" 1,3 "
    A6--Ignition " 1,2,3
    A7--Combined Instrument " 1,3,4,5,6
    B1--Climate control " 1,2,4
    B2--cruise control " 1,2,4,5
    B5--SRS " 1,4
    B6--Power Seat " 1,4

    With the key in the run position, marked II, on the lock cylinder face,
    depress the push button on the A socket in one second intervals while
    the flylead is engaged in one of the above numbered sockets. Each press
    of the button increments the query option by 1, so that pushing the
    button 5 times with the flylead in A7 would open mode 4 in the
    instrument cluster if it were ECU equipped. The LED would flash at 2Hz.
    You would then enter the code 1 push, pause 5 pushes, pause, 1 push,
    wait, to reset the service reminder light. Once the code was accepted
    the LED would flash rapidly for 1 second to acknowledge the change, the
    service light would be reset.

    Mode 1 is always a "query for codes".
    Mode 2 is ask the control unit to ask for a switch response and then it
    responds back if the switch make break was detected.
    Mode 3 is always "devices operated by the control unit".
    Mode 4 is always "clear retained codes and respond with all clear if all
    registers reset to zero."
    Mode 5 is always "query for variable parameters and report values as
    set".
    Mode 6 is always "reprogram the values of variable parameters set in the
    device previously queried in Mode 5".

    So to find out if there were any fuel system codes present plug into A2,
    push the button one time and record the code. There are three available
    memory registers, so repeat the process three times. Do the same thing
    again in position A6 and record any codes. Then report back.

    Check the codes against the list here:

    http://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-
    900/EngineOBDCodes.htm#LH24FuelInjectionFault

    or

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?O25712ABC

    Same as above without the wrap. Bookmark this page.

    Please list the VIN here, replacing the last six digits with x's so I
    can tell which systems we're specifically talking about. And we'll go
    on.

    Bob
     
    User, Mar 2, 2006
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  8. Greg

    User Guest

    Bookmark this as well, make a copy for the car if you don't have one:

    http://new.volvocars.com/ownersdocs/1994/1994_850/94850_1.html#contents

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?12A75ABC

    Although this is froma 940 manual the socket pictured as 17/11 at thr
    URL below is what you're looking for.

    http//:www.autoelectric.ru/auto/volvo/940/1993/940-93.htm

    Bob
     
    User, Mar 2, 2006
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