Air-intake pump 1997 850 Volvos

Discussion in 'Volvo 850' started by socraticquest, Oct 26, 2006.

  1. Hello,

    My Volvo mechanic found that the Air-intake pump and valve in my 1997
    850 Volvo model was broken; which has noticably decreased fuel economy,
    and hence 'the check-engine' light ocassionally comes on.

    The cost to replace the pump and valve is over $600. Are there (much
    less-expensive) air-intake systems (non factory) that would work on
    1997 850 model Volvos? Are such air-intake systems simplified for
    do-it-yourself installations?

    Thank-you
     
    socraticquest, Oct 26, 2006
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  2. How much has this decreased fuel economy? How many more years
    are you going to own this car?

    If you normally get 20mpg then your cost per mile is 11.7 cents,
    if this has reduced mpg to 18 mpg, your cost per mile has increased
    1.3 cents to 13.0 cents, that will take 78,000 more miles on this
    car before that $600 is paid for.

    You might consider calling around to wrecking yards if you really feel
    you need to get this done.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Oct 26, 2006
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  3. socraticquest

    Mike F Guest

    There's absolutely no reason the dead air pump would decrease mileage.
    The only symptom would be the check engine light. It's only purpose is
    to reduce emissions after cold start, it only works the first couple of
    minutes on a cold engine.

    If you have a mileage reduction, it's caused by something else.

    --
    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, Oct 26, 2006
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  4. socraticquest

    bullshark Guest

    Secondary Air injection pump is only on at cold engine start for a
    short time. It adds air to the exhaust stream to promote complete
    burning in the catalytic converter until the CC gets hot enough to burn
    on its own. It's like blowing on a glowing ember.

    It doesn't change mileage. That would be your foot.

    There are three components:
    The pump
    The SAIS valve
    The SAIS relay

    You can do it yourself. I just did it on my 1997 850 GLT.
    The instructions are available at volvospeed.com
    http://www.volvospeed.com/maintenance.shtml

    The parts at FCP Groton
    http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo850airpump.htm

    The air pump is the expensive bit. The price at Groton is *way* less
    than dealer.

    Mathews volvo site has an alternative:
    http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/air_pump_replacement_850.php

    It really pisses me off that the same pump, same manufacturer
    (different outlets) cost less than half as much when it comes in VW
    box.
    It took me a little over an hour. I would say it is hard, mostly
    because of the care you need to take working around a 10 year old
    engine. Be very gentle with anything made of rubber.

    If you have a GLT or Turbo: The SAIS valve is very difficult. You need
    a very short 10mm wrench and can barely turn it enough to get the next
    notch...a couple of degrees at a time. Once loose, the back bolt is
    "both-hands-for-one-fingertip-each-barely-touching-the-bolthead-you-can't-see"
    kind of stuff. Patience is as important as skill

    You need to fix this. You can't just ignore the CEL, since you never
    know when something else goes bad and it might be more important.
     
    bullshark, Oct 26, 2006
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  5. socraticquest

    Alan Guest

    I have had many Volvo's in my life but I am having fun with this 1998
    V70, I just did some posts today thanking Mike for his response but I
    will tell you my experience so far is that your car will run with the
    pump removed. You have to terminate the larger hose if it pulls air
    from the intake to the air pump is. I bought a used 850 pump on e-bay
    with shipping for 80 bucks and if you look at Volvo speed site you will
    find you can buy a VW air pump (much cheaper) and it shows how to this,
    here is the web site so you can see the pump replacement.
    http://www.volvospeed.com/Repair/airpump1.php
    You have to buy the valve, about 100.00 from (knuckle buster) Volvo I
    think I did. But I have a V70 and bought a 850 air pump and made it
    work.
    If it breaks again I probably will not replace it if I can.

    Just my story to you. I am a shade tree mechanic.
    Alan
     
    Alan, Oct 26, 2006
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  6. socraticquest

    John Horner Guest


    These are part of the emissions control system and are there to provide
    extra air into the exhaust stream on a cold start to burn off excess HC.
    The air injection system normally doesn't effect fuel economy.

    I don't think there are any direct fit aftermarket replacements. The
    valve you should replace with a new unit, but you might have some luck
    getting a used air pump from a wrecking yard. A wrecking yard should be
    able to look up the air pump and see what other years and models used
    the same one. It is electric and is located near the battery.

    John
     
    John Horner, Oct 26, 2006
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  7. socraticquest

    fmissel Guest

    Thanks for this tip. Does anyone know which VW pump to purchase?? I have a
    1998 S70 GLT.

    -Fred
     
    fmissel, Oct 29, 2006
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  8. socraticquest

    bullshark Guest


    According to the article on MathewsVolvoSite which you really want to
    read thoroughly, the part he used was VW part 021 959 253C, but he
    suggests others as well. It's not direct fit replacement, you have to
    do some (easy) screwing around and buying a rebuilt not only makes it
    cheaper but simplifies the conversions.

    http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/air_pump_replacement_850.php

     
    bullshark, Oct 29, 2006
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  9. socraticquest

    M Guest

    I bought a VW airpump for about $50 on Ebay, and my friend installed it
    all w/o a problem. All the work to prepare the VW pump was done on my end,
    and he did all the work with taking the Volvo one out, swapping the parts,
    drilling a hole in the bottom of the air pump (very important), and lastly
    installing it all.

    I saved a bundle compared to buying a new airpump, and it is working well.

    Mike
     
    M, Oct 29, 2006
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