Best Oil For Emission Control

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Ron Reaugh, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Ron Reaugh

    Ron Reaugh Guest

    I got an older 86 Volvo diesel and it smokes a bit(blue crankcases oil).
    I'm coming up on an emissions inspection test. What would be better to
    minimize the smoke for the test. Light or heavy grade or natural oil or
    synthetic??
    Any recommended additives?
     
    Ron Reaugh, Oct 17, 2003
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  2. Ron Reaugh

    SteveH Guest

    I've had limited success with Wynn's 'Smoke Stop' - got my old Escort
    through an MOT with no problems.

    Don't know what long-term effects it would have, though, I sold the car
    not long after putting a couple of bottles in ;-)
     
    SteveH, Oct 18, 2003
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  3. Ron,

    Unfortunately in your case, the smoke is most likely due to sticking
    rings... a problem with those loveable ole D24 engines. Heavier weight oil
    will help I believe, and maybe even some Lucas Motor Oil Stabilizer (Motor
    Honey), but your best current bet is going to be a product called AutoRX
    which will help un-stick those rings:

    http://www.auto-rx.com/

    The best stuff was Lubro-Moly OL Shalaam Spulung, but since it was imported
    to the USA/Canada as "Engine Flush", the contents have changed significantly
    and it's not very effective anymore.

    If you really want to cure the problem for good, a rebuild is in order.
    Replace those rings and change your oil ever 3000 miles after your rebuild
    with quality stuff (or 7500+ with quality synthetics) and you'll be good for
    several hundred thousand more miles without problem, and much more
    power/less smoke. Volvo's worst call ever was putting 7000 mile reccomended
    oil-change intervals in their 1980's volvo diesel owners manuals... it sent
    most of em to the junkyard at right around 160,000 miles. Anything to make
    a diesel sale in the 80's, eh?

    By the way, a few of us diesel-brickers have a Yahoo! group just for us...
    come on over and join up!

    http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/volvo_diesels/

    If you're an '86, you must have the last year of the 740 Turbodiesel...
    invest some time and a few dollars on that rebuild, and you can push 270hp
    out of that little straight-6 while getting 46mpg on the freeway at 75mph -
    It's been done! There's a lot of potential in that engine...

    -Mike
    82 Volvo 245GL Diesel
     
    Mike \Rotor\ Nowak, Oct 18, 2003
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  4. Don't know Volvos, but one method for fixing stuck rings that I've heard:

    -Remove spark plugs
    -Dump something like Marvel Mystery Oil or GM Top Engine Cleaner into
    cylinders, let sit overnight
    -Put rag over spark plug holes, crank engine to blow out remaining cleaner
    -Reinstall spark plugs
    -Change engine oil
     
    Robert Hancock, Oct 18, 2003
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  5. Kind of hard to do on the diesel engine that the original poster
    was having the problem with...
     
    Timothy J. Lee, Oct 18, 2003
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  6. Ron Reaugh

    Ron Reaugh Guest

    So, what's the best oil to keep down emissions for now to pass a test;
    10-40 Penzoil natural or some 10-40 synthetic(which)? And then use one of
    these additives on top of that?
     
    Ron Reaugh, Oct 18, 2003
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  7. Since you have a diesel engine, you probably want a diesel rated oil
    (e.g. API CH-4 or CI-4, although CF is acceptable for older diesel
    engines that specified CC or CD); typically these come in 15W-40
    conventional or 5W-40 synthetic, though some 10W-30 and 5W-30 varieties
    may be found. No idea what effect that can have on the smoking, though.
     
    Timothy J. Lee, Oct 18, 2003
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  8. Duh, right.. glow plugs then, maybe? ;-)
     
    Robert Hancock, Oct 18, 2003
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  9. Ron Reaugh

    Ron Reaugh Guest

    So, what's the best oil to keep down emissions(blue smoke) for now to pass
    a test; 10-40 Penzoil natural or some 10-40 synthetic(which)? And then use
    one of these additives on top of that?
     
    Ron Reaugh, Oct 18, 2003
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  10. Ron Reaugh

    Huw Guest

    If it is burning oil and the test is designed to fail an engine that
    burns excessive oil then your engine will fail. Get it maintained and
    repaired properly or scrap the heap if this is uneconomic.

    Huw
     
    Huw, Oct 18, 2003
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  11. Ron Reaugh

    Huw Guest

    If this is the same engine used in the VW LT van range then it is a
    miracle if it lasts 160,000 miles. It is an absolute pig which breaks
    camshafts on a regular basis. The indirect injection throws huge
    amounts of soot into the oil so that a commercial heavy duty diesel
    oil is essential to handle the shit. Any synthetic is wasted because
    it will handle no more soot than any other oil with a similar
    specification. As it happens the relatively new API CH4 mineral oils
    are just the ticket for up to 7500 highway miles depending on
    condition of engine.

    Huw
     
    Huw, Oct 18, 2003
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  12. Ron Reaugh

    Ron Reaugh Guest

    Clueless, would someone please respond to the question asked.
     
    Ron Reaugh, Oct 18, 2003
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  13. If your car is burning enough oil to be smoking, I don't think changing the
    oil will cause it to burn clean enough to pass the emissions test. You need
    to stop it from burning oil or it's not going to pass.

    I believe in some areas that do emissions testing, if your vehicle is
    producing visible exhaust smoke then they will not even test it, it's an
    automatic failure.
     
    Robert Hancock, Oct 19, 2003
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  14. Ron Reaugh

    Ron Reaugh Guest

    The smoke is rather marginal now and any small improvement would allow
    passage. Light duty desiels are exempt in the US from normal emission
    testing. So the question remains: What would be the lowest smoker 10-40
    natural oil or 10-40 synthetic??
     
    Ron Reaugh, Oct 19, 2003
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  15. Ron Reaugh

    Tim.. Guest

    Neither, use a thicker-when-hot viscosity oil,- i.e. a 20w-50.

    Tim..
     
    Tim.., Oct 19, 2003
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  16. Ron Reaugh

    Huw Guest

    You asked "So, what's the best oil to keep down emissions(blue smoke)
    for now to pass
    a test; 10-40 Penzoil natural or some 10-40 synthetic(which)? And
    then use
    one of these additives on top of that?"

    If you do not like the answers, which mainly consist of something
    similar to 'stop being a cheap lazy **** and get the fecking thing
    fixed properly', there is certainly no point in asking the question
    over and over again which is especially hilarious if your reaction is
    as above.

    Huw
     
    Huw, Oct 19, 2003
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  17. Ron Reaugh

    Huw Guest

    Both oils will burn equally. Oil is not designed to be burnt. Fuel,
    petrol diesel and gas is commonly burnt for power in small internal
    combustion engines. I am surprised you do not appreciate this,
    preferring instead to insist on a clean burning lubricating oil. In
    fact API SL, or in your case API CG4 or CH4 are about the cleanest
    burning oils you can find but this is only in relation to tested
    emissions and their effect on cats, not from a smoke point of view.
    All oils will smoke whether mineral or synthetic when burnt. Only the
    use of a heavy oil like a straight 40 for the duration of the test
    might improve things. Get it fixed.

    Huw
     
    Huw, Oct 19, 2003
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  18. Ron Reaugh

    Anumber1 Guest

    I guess I will let the secret out if nobody else will.
    Common lavender scented bubble bath is just the thing you need. Cheap and
    available at any corner drug store.
    Just fill 'er up! Problem solved.
     
    Anumber1, Oct 19, 2003
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  19. Ron Reaugh

    Ron Reaugh Guest

    Finally at the end of the thread the usual usenet trolls show up.
     
    Ron Reaugh, Oct 19, 2003
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  20. He did answer your question. He said if your car is burning oil, it
    won't pass inspection. It doesn't matter what kind of oil you put it in.

    You could try running your car without oil. Then it wouldn't have any oil
    to burn. :)
     
    Alex Rodriguez, Oct 20, 2003
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