Bypass overdrive solenoid?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Jeffrey M Copeland, May 19, 2004.

  1. My 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo with AW71 automatic transmission keeps taking itself
    out of fourth gear.
    I have traced the problem to a faulty overdrive solenoid.
    After nearly suffing a heart attack when I discovered how much the local
    Volvo wants to replace the soleniod, I began looking for other options.

    Is there a way to bypass the overdrive solenoid so that the car will remain
    in fourth gear on the highway? If so, will doing this cause any damage to
    the transmission itelf?
    I do mostly highway driving and I don't tow anything, therefore I have no
    need to ever take the car out of overdrive gear.

    Any advice is greatly appreciated.
    J.Copeland
     
    Jeffrey M Copeland, May 19, 2004
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  2. Jeffrey M Copeland

    G Klein Guest

    Have you checked the relay if so & it is good you can do the following
    action
    Remove the overdrive solenoid from the transmission
    clean solenoid of any atf & grease
    Purchase the larger of the 2 O-Rings
    very carefully make a small grove between the inner flange
    Reinstall you should now have overdrive
    I have never personally tried this repair so I do not know if this works
    It was posted here in this group a couple of months ago
    I wish I could give credit to the original poster but I am unable to find
    the post now
    Glenn

    --
    "*-344-*Never Forgotten"
    Is for the New York City Firemen who lost their lives on September 11,2001.
    The official count is 343, but there was also a volunteer who lost his life
    aiding in the initial rescue efforts. And I will never forget them as long
    as I live,
    nor should any American.
    "Mow Green"
     
    G Klein, May 20, 2004
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  3. Does the groove in the new O-ring mentioned above actually bypass the
    solenoid valve, or repair it?
    It looks to me like the larger O-ring contains the hyraulic pressure being
    fed to the valve and stops fluid from leaking all over the floor under the
    car.

    The only reason I ask is that from my experience of messing with the
    overdrive on a manual volvo gearbox (the auto is probably different),
    strange results happen when overdrive is engaged in any gear but the one
    it's intended for, such as horrible crunching or screaming noises when in
    reverse, and having overdrive 1st, 2nd, 3rd; instead of 1st, 2nd, 3rd,
    overdrive 3rd (4th).

    Sorry if I've misunderstood something here, but good transmissions cost a
    lot more than a bit of TLC on what amounts to a simple electromagnetic
    plunger valve.

    A question for the original poster; have you tried activating the solenoid
    by directly applying voltage (12v) to it's wire? The coil in the solenoid
    should have a resistance of about 13 ohms if checked with a multimeter
    connected between its body and the supply wire. Does it click solidly when
    energised? If yes, then the valve is working, the only things that could
    then give problems are, is the valve clogged up and restricting the fluid
    flow (they are usually cleanable with care), or is the fluid pressure
    actually high enough to activate the overdrive unit.
    As an experiment, you could rig up the direct power feed to the solenoid,
    drive the car, then have a passenger connect the wires to activate the
    solenoid when you're in top gear, if it works and stays in fourth, then the
    solenoid and fluid pressure is ok, the wiring or control system is not.

    Good luck, Ken
    Does the groove in the new O-ring mentioned above actually bypass the
    solenoid valve, or repair it?
    It looks to me like the larger O-ring contains the hyraulic pressure being
    fed to the valve and stops fluid from leaking all over the floor under the
    car.

    The only reason I ask is that from my experience of messing with the
    overdrive on a manual volvo gearbox (the auto is probably different),
    strange results happen when overdrive is engaged in any gear but the one
    it's intended for, such as horrible crunching or screaming noises when in
    reverse, and having overdrive 1st, 2nd, 3rd; instead of 1st, 2nd, 3rd,
    overdrive 3rd (4th).

    Sorry if I've misunderstood something here, but good transmissions cost a
    lot more than a bit of TLC on what amounts to a simple electromagnetic
    plunger valve.

    A question for the original poster; have you tried activating the solenoid
    by directly applying voltage (12v) to it's wire? The coil in the solenoid
    should have a resistance of about 13 ohms if checked with a multimeter
    connected between its body and the supply wire. Does it click solidly when
    energised? If yes, then the valve is working, the only things that could
    then give problems are, is the valve clogged up and restricting the fluid
    flow (they are usually cleanable with care), or is the fluid pressure
    actually high enough to activate the overdrive unit.
    As an experiment, you could rig up the direct power feed to the solenoid,
    drive the car, then have a passenger connect the wires to activate the
    solenoid when you're in top gear, if it works and stays in fourth, then the
    solenoid and fluid pressure is ok, the wiring or control system is not.

    Good luck, Ken
     
    Ken Phillips \(UK\), May 20, 2004
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  4. Jeffrey M Copeland

    Mike F Guest

    The groove opens up a new passage through the solenoid, bypasses the
    passage that the solenoid is supposed to open. This just means that the
    overdrive gear is enabled (not engaged) as it would be during normal
    driving, i.e. it allows the control system to engage the overdrive gear
    as necessary.

    This is completely different than the way the overdrive on a manual
    works. On the manual, energizing the solenoid engages overdrive gear,
    assuming there's hydraulic pressure. Since the pump is turned by the
    shaft going through the unit, there's no pressure at a stop. If the
    overdrive is switched on, it will engage as the pressure rises with
    speed. Also manual transmission overdrive is not designed for use in
    reverse.

    --
    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    NOTE: new address!!
    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, May 20, 2004
    #4
  5. Mike,

    Cheers, thanks for the info, it is obviously very different, and much more
    similar to the setup on my current 740, which has a 4 speed auto box
    (retrofitted by myself, was a 5 speed manual car), no overdrive, but does
    automatically lock the torque convertor into direct drive (like having a
    normal clutch again) at 58mph, am I correct in assuming that the AW71
    selects overdrive based on gear selected and road speed/torque when enabled
    by the solenoid? I'd often wondered where all the external wires and
    switches that I'd expected were!

    TTFN, Ken
     
    Ken Phillips \(UK\), May 20, 2004
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  6. Jeffrey M Copeland

    Mike F Guest

    Yes, your assumption is correct. It seems stupid (and more expensive)
    to have an electric method of disabling top gear instead of having a "3"
    position on the gear selector. The hydraulic control is there already.
    Since the 4 speed AW70/71 are a modification of the 3 speed AW55, the
    only reason I can think of is that it would have required a major
    redesign to stick that extra position in there.

    --
    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    NOTE: new address!!
    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, May 21, 2004
    #6
  7. Jeffrey M Copeland

    mike Guest

    I have jumpped the relay on every automatic volvo I ever owned (except
    one with a ZF 4HP 22 tranny). It doesn't hurt anything. My '84 242ti has
    been hard wired for fourth gear for about 4 years. The relay was fine. I
    took it out and sold it to a fella who was having trouble with his and
    didn't want it jumpped. I got $50 from him.

    Mike aka Terrible Ted
     
    mike, May 22, 2004
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  8. Jeffrey M Copeland

    James Sweet Guest

    Jeez, you can buy a new one for less than that...

    99% of the relay failures just need to be resoldered, other problem I've had
    is chafed wiring under the car.
     
    James Sweet, May 23, 2004
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  9. Jeffrey M Copeland

    Chuck Guest

    I have a 1990 240DL wagon, had issue with the 4th gear overdrive and
    made the modifications to the soleniod as follows:

    1. Removed 2 bolts holding item on, with 12mm wrench, drivers side of
    tranny just under the shifting linkage. Remove the wires, if not
    already cut or smashed by the linkage. DO not cut wires if they are
    intact, you may want to replace solenoid someday in the future and if
    you cut the wire, you have another project to work on.
    2. Removed both large O ring and small O ring around center of
    solenoid, making sure that no dirt got into the area that the soleniod
    was removed from. Clean areaa with rag and spray with wd-40 to removed
    any dirt that gets lodged into hole. I used a mirror to view the area,
    and bent the spray tube to get the spray to area to make sure it was
    clean.
    3. Instead of making changes to the tranny, i used a rotozip and
    hogged out (in a straight line) from the center of the soleniod to the
    hole outside of the small O ring. Do not go as far as the large 0
    ring. Do not replace small o ring as it will prevent the fluid from
    passing in the groove you just made.
    It is imperative to be sure you flush the soleniod with cleaner such as
    wd-40 to make sure that no metal frags get into the tranny.
    once mod is made, replace the solenoid.

    Car will have to heat up and it will shift into all gears as required.
    If you are in 4th and need to pass, just step on the pedal and it will
    do it automatically. You may notice a harder downshift when coming to
    a stop, but this will have no effect on the tranny life.

    works like a charm..good luck
     
    Chuck, Jan 5, 2005
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