cam shaft swap

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by jacktheboy, Mar 6, 2007.

  1. jacktheboy

    jacktheboy Guest

    The no run issue turns out to be a broken camshaft retaining bolt with
    half of the bolt still in the cam.
    I have a spare in an 86 and was going to swap it
    Good idea, bad idea.
    Should I swap out the whole engine. I was going to do the rear seal
    and engine mounts too.
    I might also be getting rid of it. Could part it out and be satisfied
    that I found the problem.
    Ran fine before breakdown. Wagon with 160K. Old lady wants to get rid
    of it, too many in the yard.
     
    jacktheboy, Mar 6, 2007
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    James Sweet Guest


    Camshaft swap is easy enough, why not give it a shot?
     
    James Sweet, Mar 6, 2007
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    JRE Guest

    Why not just remove the remainder of the bolt and put in a new bolt?
    Much faster, and the cam lobes and followers are already mated to each
    other. Moreover, unless the spare engine is an exact duplicate, the
    spare cam's lift, duration, and overlap timing are all likely to be
    different. (That could be a good thing...or not!)

    Try this:

    Get a spring-loaded center punch. Use it to tap the remaining bolt a
    few times to loosen the threads. Then use a pick to back out the bolt.
    This is a bit finicky and might take as long as 30-45 minutes, but it
    CAN be done.

    If all else fails, drill the center of the bolt to a depth of 1/4" or so
    and use an extractor, *after* the tap-tap routine to loosen the threads.
    Since the bolt should be fairly free at that point it should be easy
    to extract.

    Then replace the bolt and re-time the engine. Done!

    JRE
     
    JRE, Mar 7, 2007
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    clay Guest

    fwiw, I find the spring loaded center punch can be used to remove the
    bolt completely...
    If you snapped the bolt by over torquing it or the head got popped off
    by a malfunction and they're not bottomed out or baked in place by the
    exhaust, they will spin out. Problem is turning them.
    Position the center punch off center of the bolt and angle it the
    direction to unscrew the bolt.
    Keep snapping around in a circle until it's out enough to grab.
     
    clay, Mar 8, 2007
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  5. jacktheboy

    jacktheboy Guest

    I'm going to try backing out the bolt and replacing it.
     
    jacktheboy, Mar 9, 2007
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  6. It should come out okay, now that the torque has been relieved.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Mar 9, 2007
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    z Guest

    Yeah, I don't know about the Volvo specifically, but in general cams
    and whatever rides on them in any car are considered to be parts that
    mate in to each other in the breakin period, and swapping is not
    conducive to a long future life. There is a lot of pressure and
    sliding friction between the two surfaces, and the parts are designed
    so as to wear together when new, as I repetitiously said before.
     
    z, Mar 9, 2007
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    James Sweet Guest

    Camshaft swaps are not uncommon, you often have to adjust the shims but
    I've not heard of people having trouble with wear. I know more than one
    person running non-stock Volvo cams they found in junkyards, usually the
    "hot" K cam.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 10, 2007
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    z Guest

    Good to know, since that's on my "maybe someday" list.
     
    z, Mar 12, 2007
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    clay Guest

    'Break in' is actually a misnomer.
    It should really be 'wear in' because the process allows for parts that
    don't fit well (because of variation in manufacturing tolerances) to get
    to know each other.

    If everything were machined right on spec and assembled correctly (as
    in, properly built race motors) the only break in required is get the
    motor up to temperature and run it! When it comes time for a rebuild,
    all the bits go in a basket. Rods and pistons are numbered (for balance
    reasons) but everything else ends up wherever it ends up.

    If I were swapping used cams, I'd probably try to keep the followers
    (rockers, whatever) on the same lobe they were on. If that didn't
    happen, oh well... run it.
     
    clay, Mar 12, 2007
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