Convert 245 to manual steering

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by Apple Computer, Jun 22, 2005.

  1. I have an 81 245. If I pull the manual steering rack and associated
    parts from an 80 242, will it bolt right in to my car so that I can
    dump the power steering? I notice the input shaft on the rack is 19mm
    on my car and 14mm on the 80 but I thought I would grab the universal
    and other parts from the donor car.

    I am currently using the p.s. rack with the pump removed. I filled it
    with grease to lubricate it due to the now missing power steering
    fluid. I am thinking the manual rack will be better.
     
    Apple Computer, Jun 22, 2005
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    Mike F Guest

    Just make sure you get the whole shaft (2 universal joints) that's
    inside the engine compartment, as that's longer on a car with manual
    steering. Also make sure you have all the mounting hardware from the
    donor car.

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    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, Jun 22, 2005
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    jg Guest

    What's it like to steer without the pump? Do you do anything to avoid any
    resistance from the hydraulic system still attached? I was considering just
    removing the belt from mine rather than fix the leak.
     
    jg, Jun 22, 2005
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    James Sweet Guest

    It can be done, but a power rack without power is much stiffer than a manual
    rack. Personally I like power and would just get a replacement rack, if you
    don't mind manual then look for a real manual rack.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 23, 2005
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    jg Guest

    Thanks for the reply, I like the power too but not keen on fixing the oil
    leak. They are also downright dangerous with a motor which might stall, like
    with power brakes. I'd rather have an old (pre power steer/brakes/auto) car
    than a "modern" one when it gets old.
     
    jg, Jun 23, 2005
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  6. In addition, PS racks always have some play when used as a manual rack
    because the assist valve still deflects. I definitely second that - replace
    with a manual rack if you don't want PS.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jun 24, 2005
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    jg Guest

    Again thanks fellas, can I ask another... it goes fine for a few weeks then
    dumps about a reserviour full from the end of the rack away from the
    steering box all at once. (it's a 1980 265). Is it likely to need more than
    seals, and are they hard to replace?
     
    jg, Jun 24, 2005
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    James Sweet Guest

    How's it dangerous? I drove mine for a while when the belt came off before I
    got a chance to fix it and while it was stiff in parking lots and such it
    was fine on the road. I had a truck for a while with manual everything and
    the brakes were just as stiff as a power braked car with a bad booster or
    stalled engine, had to put most of my weight on the pedal to stop,
    particularly with a load.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 24, 2005
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    James Sweet Guest

    Dunno, I've never tried, I'd probably just look for a "new" rack from a
    junkyard, though you always run the risk of a leaky one from there too.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 24, 2005
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    jg Guest

    I guess it's mainly because you are expecting a certain resistance,
    specially the brakes which are very light on this car. Usually the first
    indication it has stalled is you can't steer or brake as effectively and
    that, coupled with the surprise, is just the time you needed to stop or make
    a turn. The volvo is not so bad but big fords for instance, really need more
    strength than most people have to steer or brake when power fails.
     
    jg, Jun 24, 2005
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  11. I have been driving my 245 with the power steering pump removed for
    almost a month. I had some zerk fittings brazed into the banjo
    fittings so I could pump some grease into the rack to lubricate it in
    place of the missing power steering fluid. It works, it is not really
    easy when parking. At speeds over 20 mph it feels better than with
    power assist. However, I did pick up a manual steering rack yesterday
    from a yard and plan to fit it some time in the future.
     
    Apple Computer, Jun 24, 2005
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    Mike F Guest

    Resealing a rack is an involved process requiring some special tools.
    Volvo had dozens of different racks, made by several different vendors,
    and so there are lots of different seal kits. Add in the fact that
    racks may have been swapped from a different car, then just getting the
    correct seal kit can be a challenge! There were some detail changes to
    the steering column in 1979, any rack from that year or newer fits any
    other car in that range, provided you get all the mounting hardware.
    Also, the dealer sells a mounting hardware kit that consists of every
    piece of hardware to mount any rack.

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    Mike F.
    Thornhill (near Toronto), Ont.

    Replace tt with t (twice!) and remove parentheses to email me directly.
    (But I check the newsgroup more often than this email address.)
     
    Mike F, Jun 24, 2005
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  13. If you leave the pump hooked up the resistance will be greater than
    disconnecting it. See other reply (from Apple Computer) for more
    details.
     
    Spooky Mulder, Jun 24, 2005
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