Defective throttles in 1999-2001 Volvos

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Cat, Sep 17, 2005.

  1. Cat

    Cat Guest

    Defective throttles in 1999-2001 Volvos have been failing at unusually high
    rates, causing cars to stall, raising air emissions and sticking owners with
    costly repairs.

    File a complaint if you have this model car. If a recall is forced it may
    save you ~$1000

    More info:
    http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=185&did=1142
    http://www.volvoxc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6716&highlight=throttle

    Of course file a compaint with Volvo
    http://www.volvocars.us/_Tier3/ContactUs/
    The Assistant Manager of Volvo Customer Care is Susan Campbell

    Then NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration)
    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/

    The Center for Auto Safety:
    http://www.autosafety.org/index.html
     
    Cat, Sep 17, 2005
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  2. ---------news snip i came across------------------

    Make : VOLVO Model : V70XC Year : 2001
    Manufacturer : VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC.
    Crash : Yes Fire : No Number of Injuries: 1
    ODI ID Number : 10134909 Number of Deaths: 1
    Date of Failure: July 18, 2005
    VIN : YV1SZ58D811...
    Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
    Summary:
    MY DAUGHTER WAS KILLED WHILE DRIVING MY VOLVO WHEN IT MALFUNCTIONED AND
    SHE
    LOST CONTROL. PER THE ACCIDENT REPORT, SHE WAS CHANGING LANES FROM THE
    FAR
    RIGHT TO MIDDLE LANE WHEN SHE ACCELERATED INTO THE LEFTMOST LANE, HIT
    AND
    BOUNDED OFF THE LEFMOST GUARDRAIL, COLLIDED WITH A CAR IN THE CENTER
    LANE,
    PROCEEDED OVER THE RIGHTMOST GUARDRAIL OF A BRIDGE, THROUGH A TREETOP,
    DROPPED 30 FEET, LANDED UPSIDE DOWN, AND ROLLED REPEATEDLY, EVENTUALLY
    STOPPING IN A CONCRETE CREEKBANK. SHE WAS WEARING HER SEATBELT BUT
    KILLED
    INSTANTLY UPON IMPACT. IT APPEARS SHE WAS NOT SPEEDING SIGNIFICANTLY
    PRIOR
    TO THE ACCIDENT BUT UNEXPECTEDLY BEGAN ACCELERATING AS SHE WAS CHANGING
    LANES AND LOST CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE. I HAVE HAD SIMILAR PROBLEMS WITH
    THE
    CAR PREVIOUSLY BUT BELIEVED THEY HAD BEEN CORRECTED BY VOLVO WHEN THEY
    REPLACED THE ELECTRONIC THROTTLE MODULE. THERE WERE NO OTHER
    CONTRIBUTING
    FACTORS IN THE ACCIDENT -- WEATHER WAS CLEAR, VISIBILITY WAS GOOD,
    ROADS
    WERE DRY, TRAFFIC WAS MODERATE AND FLOWING WELL, AND IT WAS EARLY
    AFTERNOON
    AND MY DAUGHTER WAS FINE PRIOR TO THE ACCIDENT. I HAVE HAD AN ACCIDENT
    RECONSTRUCTION EXPERT LOOK AT THE ACCIDENT REPORT AND AVAILABLE
    EVIDENCE AND
    HE BELIEVES IT WAS CAUSED BY MECHANICAL FAILURE.

    (also on Edmonds)
    I have had an accident reconstruction expert investigate the accident
    and he believes mechanical failure, most likely the ETM module, caused
    the crash. Unfortunately, since very few complaints have alleged
    acceleration due to ETM failure (either as a direct result of the
    failure or in overcompensation for reduced performance caused by the
    failure), this is a hard case to prove. However, we've been unable to
    come up with any other reasonable explanation, and the ETM had failed
    and been replaced on my car before.
     
    ~^ beancounter ~^, Sep 17, 2005
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  3. Cat

    Randy G. Guest

    A few thoughts on the subject-

    I was working on my '69 VW (back in about '71) and dropped the
    generator(!) woodruff key into the heating ductwork on the motor. I
    borrowed my dad's '69 International Harvester Travelall which had the
    biggest gas motor they put in them at the time. I was on a (then)
    rural 4 lane roadway, driving with purpose as a pissed off teenager
    will. Accelerating down that road, foot hard on the gas, the throttle
    return spring broke and the pedal went to the floor. The car
    immediately downshifted. I tried to put my foot under the pedal but it
    was flat on the floor. I Shifted into N and turned off the key at the
    same time. By then I was doing well over 65 as I remember. Hauling
    that thing to the curb without power steering was a real chore! I was
    able to bend and reattach the spring and was fine after that.

    The reason I tell the above story (and looking at the report below) I
    think that cars are so dependable now and so few people work on their
    own cars today (because they mostly can't be worked on) that a lot of
    kids today don't understand how cars work and don't know what to do in
    an emergency. That is also partly because cars are so dependable and
    don't break down. There is another factor- cars today handle like race
    cars. Body roll has all been eliminated and chassis are stiffer, rack
    and pinion and 4 wheel disc anti-lock brakes, incredible tires, and
    much more all combine to give drivers of the common sedan a sense of
    control and confidence that only race cars and sports cars gave two
    decades ago (generally speaking). Because of that, a lot of drivers
    (and particularly young drivers) don't know what to do in an emergency
    incident whether it is a "stuck" throttle or a car that breaks loose
    from the roads's surface. How many people today know how to power out
    of a slide in a corner or how to steer with a skid? Most would panic
    and either freeze up or slam the brakes.

    I am not at all defending the throttle in this model of volvo nor
    defending Volvo, but I wanted to remind parents to teach their kids
    about these sorts of things, and if you don't know, maybe get you kid
    into a course where they can learn. Maybe even take them into an
    empty. pole-free parking lot on a rainy day and teach them what to do
    when a car skids or slides. Let them learn the limits of the brakes
    and steering.

    Don't let them loose on the street to learn these things "by
    accident."

    And think about getting some similar experience yourself. After some
    20 years and 65,000+ miles of riding a motorcycle on the street I took
    the MSF Experienced Rider's Course and improved my riding quite a bit.
    When you think you are good enough or know enough, that is when you
    become dangerous.




    __ __
    Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
    \__/olvos
    '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
    "Shelby" & "Kate"
     
    Randy G., Sep 17, 2005
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  4. good point (s) ......
     
    ~^ beancounter ~^, Sep 17, 2005
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  5. Cat

    Cat Guest

    I agree, good points. Hopefully Volvo will come to their senses and recall
    this part before anybody else is hurt/killed because they are unable to
    control their vehicle.
     
    Cat, Sep 19, 2005
    #5
  6. Cat

    Doug Warner Guest

    A log of cars have elevtronic throttles these days, and I don't really
    trust them. Still, I should think there would be some safeguards in
    place, such as: shut down the engine if RPM increases for more than
    one xecond after brake application.

    Also, I sometimes doubt the validithy of these accidents, since any
    stock vehicle's engine can be overcome by the brakes. Back when Audis
    were being accused of unintended acceleration, it was shown that the
    drivers were accidentlly stepping on the gas instead of the brake.

    I did this once in a parking lot in a rented VW beetle (70's) Because
    I expected the car to slow, it felt like it was acclerating with
    tremendous speed. Fortunately, I was stopped by a guard rail befire
    it gathered any real speed.
     
    Doug Warner, Sep 19, 2005
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  7. A log of cars have elevtronic throttles these days, and I don't really
    trust them. Still, I should think there would be some safeguards in
    place, such as: shut down the engine if RPM increases for more than
    one xecond after brake application.

    Also, I sometimes doubt the validithy of these accidents, since any
    stock vehicle's engine can be overcome by the brakes. Back when Audis
    were being accused of unintended acceleration, it was shown that the
    drivers were accidentlly stepping on the gas instead of the brake.

    Definitely the #1 cause, especially since most of the reports claim the
    brakes failed to slow the car at all. I recall the driver of a 140
    complaining how the car leaped from a parking lot into the side of the
    building in spite of the brakes. But there was an account here maybe a year
    ago by a fellow who didn't have an accident, just a brief series of
    incidents one night where the throttle opened full while he was idling at
    intersections. The car was dragged forward, with the ABS doing its thing and
    leaving broken skid marks. That one sounds real to me.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Sep 19, 2005
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  8. Cat

    Randy G. Guest

    My 240 has the accelerator quite close to the center area- the kick
    panel that covers the Heat/cooling conglomeration there has a slightly
    narrower area (more space/room at the gas pedal). If you have your
    foot slide off of the gas pedal to the right after depressing the
    pedal your shoe can 'hook' into that concave area, and when you lift
    your foot your shoe can get sort of wedged into that area.

    If driving was easy, everyone could do it, and there would be any
    acciidents, and I wouldn't get to go to the Pick and Pull again this
    week to get more spare parts for the 240 on the cheap.

    Speaking of which, is it just me (I don't think so), but getting to go
    into a well organized auto salvage yard and actually getting to bring
    my own tools and pick my own parts off cars is like a trip to
    Disneyland! "COOL! Another 017 AMM! WOW!"


    __ __
    Randy & \ \/ /alerie's
    \__/olvos
    '90 245 Estate - '93 965 Estate
    "Shelby" & "Kate"
     
    Randy G., Sep 19, 2005
    #8
  9. i think the real liability will lie in the event it is
    proven volvo inc was aware of faulty/bad parts,
    installed @ their factories...and refuse to "make
    the parts right" for their customers...over a number
    of years...then touting themselvs as a "safety oriented"
    auto manufacturer.....we will see....i guess it is for a
    court to review all relevant information and come to a
    conclusion....
     
    ~^ beancounter ~^, Sep 19, 2005
    #9
  10. Cat

    James Sweet Guest


    Agreed, I always find things I'd never have thought to ask for, U-pull yards
    where I can wander around and browse are the only type I'll go to.
     
    James Sweet, Sep 20, 2005
    #10
  11. Now, THAT would really take some doing since the brake and gas pedals of
    the old V.W. beetles are at such greatly different levels. On the
    Audi's in question with the uncontrolled acceleration, the brake pedal
    was less than two inches than the gas pedal and at the exact same level
    making it very easy to step on the gas pedal at the same time as the
    brake particularly if the driver's foot was on the edge of the brake
    pedal and overlapping on to the gas.
     
    ..........................................., Sep 20, 2005
    #11
  12. Actually, the ABS was NOT doing it's thing because with the vehicle
    stopped, you should be able to be in gear and floor the accelerator and
    not have the car move at all.
     
    ..........................................., Sep 20, 2005
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  13. Cat

    Glenn Klein Guest

    What you have to remember is that Volvo is not the only car to use the
    faulty throttle unit it is made in Italy & used widly on most cars so
    this whould be a expensive thing not only for Volvo but for the rest
    that is why this is moving along very slowly

    --
    "*-344-*Never Forgotten"
    Is for the New York City Firemen who lost their lives on September 11,2001.
    The official count is 343, but there was also a volunteer who lost his life
    aiding in the initial rescue efforts. And I will never forget them as
    long as I live,
    nor should any American.
     
    Glenn Klein, Sep 21, 2005
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  14. I had a Ford Fairlane, yes I admit it .When coming over a very steep hill my
    cruise control stuck and I was full power down the hill with a few bends to
    come .This hill is very steep and often covered in black ice so imagine if a
    less experienced driver had this issue .By the way when I say steep, cars
    have slid after the car was parked ,when others had rolled over blocking the
    road .I had to turn off the motor to regain control but keep my foot on the
    brakes and try not to lock the steering all in a moment .I pulled the cruise
    control cable apart and it was sludged up with gunk .I washed it out put
    synthetic oil through it and isolated it from the rocker cover with a heavy
    rubber sheath .Turns out Ford knew about it but not every one got a recall
    ..It was pure bad design and in the extreme cold the gunk in the cable did
    its worst .(1988 Ford Fairlane the car Ford tried to build .)
     
    John Robertson, Sep 23, 2005
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  15. Cat

    User Guest

    AFAIK there is a class action suit ongoing in CA. The class has
    presented an internal document that expresses a complaint about the
    failure of the ETM modules being installed at the factory as being of
    inferior quality and prone to premature failure. In CA this constitutes
    a warranty fraud since some of the units were covered under a case by
    case basis and some were not. The ones that were not were generally
    given a wipe and clean. The warranty statute involved requires the mfr
    to provide the same service on every identical claim regardless of
    whether there is a written policy to do so. The remedy would be for
    every yellow dot ETM to be replaced FOC. If the consumer paid for
    replacement...there probably will be no satisfactory remedy, so mfr will
    suffer a fine.

    Bob
     
    User, Sep 23, 2005
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