God must be holding His nose

Many people wonder what lies behind the Arab's irrational and bizarre rage
against Israel. Compared to the millions of Muslims slaughtered by OTHER
Muslims in Sudan, Syria, Iraq and other countries, Palestinian deaths in
Israel are relatively few. Yet the millions massacred and millions more
repressed by MOSLEMS does not evoke Arab outrage as do the events in Israel.
Why the double standard? This double standard in the Middle East is due to
the fact that Arab countries are shame-based societies, and Israeli
repression of Arabs is seen not just as brutal, but also as humiliating.

Arabs say that, "Israel is a colonial outpost" and that as a result while
Israeli Arabs may have ballots and free speech, they have no dignity. The
Israeli presence and simple existence represents a total humiliation of all
the Arab regimes. It's a continuous reminder of the disgusting weakness of
the Arabs as people, of their society and political system, as well as an
indication of the impotence and corruption of their regimes." If the Jew
were to shower the Arab with kindness and charity and make them wealthy and
safe, the Arab would STILL try to murder the Jew. The Arab doesn't hate the
Jew for anything the Jew has done. The Arab hates the Jew because he exists.
When the Jew stands side by side with an Arab the Arab is humiliated because
he not only looks like a failure, he is one.

Arab humiliation seems to have become a mainstay since the fall of the
Ottoman Empire. The Arab world can simply not get over their lost pride as a
people who once ruled and represented the epitome of civilization, and now
are relegated to crummy Third World status. Israel and America represent for
the Arab world the source of this humiliation - if the Israeli and the
American model of the real world simply exist..then Islam will NEVER have
Paradise. The SUCCESS of Israel and America mean that the Koran is
irrelevant. The truth of the Koran is just brand X in a dirty brown box if
an American and his Israeli friends own the supermarket. Yes? Hell, we BUILT
the supermarket. All the Arab has built is a pile of camel shit. And he
tracks that in and out of the Mosque every time he prays for God to give him
some nuts to go with his limp wank.

Many other speculations are offered to explain Arab rage and frenzy against
Israel and the West.

But essentially the Arab world subconsciously realizes that Israel and
America are standing there ignoring the Koran, because the Koran has nothing
to offer people who already have it ALL. The Koran appeals to beggars and
people in jail. It appeals to people who are losers, not people who own
their own swimming pools and drive a Mercedes.

Understanding the underlying causes for Arab sentiments is not academic; it
is the only way to get to the bottom of the issues. Understanding their
mentality is the true key to help provide us with a meaningful strategy. We
can never devise a workable plan as long as we focus on the superficial
causes, and do not understand the driving force of our adversary. Does the
Arab world just want justice for the Palestinians? Not really. Equal rights
(rights they do not have under any Arab ruler)? Some land to live
peacefully? Or perhaps they want something more that they simply are not
telling us?

I submit that the true reason and core root of Arab anger is religious and
not political. The Arab religious dream is worthless and his world view is
POINTLESS as long as Israel and America can laugh in his face.

The Arab world's opposition to Israel is not due to any Israeli actions, but
rather to the very existence of the Land of Israel and Jewish control over
the land. This control is a perpetual thorn in their side, and the root
cause for their "shame" and humiliation.

Why? Because Muslims fundamentally believe that Israel's existence - and
Jewish control over Israel - in what they consider to be their 'conquered
land,' is a desecration of their religious vision. It says God likes Jews.
He makes Jews a SUCCESS. And you Arabs are not even noticed by God because
you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with directions on the heel. If by some
miracle the Arab got Israel back they would start whining for Spain and
Sicily also and Hungary and all the other lands they once ruled before they
were slapped silly and given the boot. Islam would move right into your
house and eat everything in your icebox like they do in France.

This is the reason why Muslims have always built mosques on the sacred land
of Jews and Christians (e.g. the Temple Mount, Bethlehem) to demonstrate
their absolute belief that Muslim control over these lands fulfils and
realizes the Divine will. They feel so Inferior they have to take something
away from others to have something themselves. Arabs don't create, they
steal.

This religious belief is the true cause for the rage of the Arab/Muslim
world against Israel. It is not about human rights, Palestinian sovereignty,
Arab dignity, oil, money, harems, or any other issue. No amount of land
return, no concessions will satisfy them - other than the elimination of
Jewish control in Israel.

As uncomfortable as it may be, we will never be able to resolve the issues
until we realize that this is a religious war not a political one.

Many of us would like to conveniently believe that the issues are political
ones, because that would make the situation a lot more manageable and the
problem a lot simpler. We know how to deal with political challenges. But if
this is a religious war, and the Arab/Muslim will never make peace. He will
never share. There IS no peace in Islam. Islam was founded by a man who
murdered people who laughed at him, it isn't hard to figure out what Islam
really is.

Our existing modalities are secular ones. Our political systems and
governmental institutions have been built with secular goals in mind,
without much consideration to spiritual and religious values, which we have
relegated to the private sector. We therefore do not see the world in
context of religious and spiritual vision. That's why we cannot fathom or
understand the rage of the Arab world today. That is why they appear to be
so Looney.

And that is what Islam is, it is a shitsmeared Ga-ga boogah boogah with a
gun.

And this is why a Palestinian state is not possible, and for that matter not
do-able. A state will never satisfy the Arab world. They will simply see it
as a step in the direction of their re-conquest of Israel. They do not want
a state for political reasons, but for religious ones. That is the key to
the underlying issues. As much as we wish to make the Arafats of the world
our "partners in peace," we must realize that our secular notions of peace
are not part of their agenda at all. Arafat and all Arabs can't help
themselves. They are trapped inside their own humiliated beliefs, swallowed
up in their total incapacity to adapt to the modern reality of the world
that left their limited religion behind centuries ago.

But what lies beneath and behind - what fuels - this Arab rage and passion?
To understand this we need to enter into the secret world of religious
passion. And the SHAME of being Arab. As long as Israel is there as such an
OBVIOUS success, then the Arabs have to face the fact that they smell and
that God must be holding His nose.

 

Were you trying to tell us that ARABS should trade in their camels
for XC's or that ISRAEL hates the 240 series??? (Just wondering....oh
and by the way.....what kind of CLIMATE package do they get there???)
ROFLMAO hahahahahahahahahahahah

 

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.... and of course, while wondering, they were driving a BMW
on the way to the dealership to trade it in for a Mercedes.

This "wondering" caused the driver to not pay attention, resulting
in him hitting a runner. Oh no!!

The BMW driver (soon the be Mercedes driver), finds the
runner to be okay (thank goodness), and offers his cell phone
to call for a drive. The runner accepts, calling his wife to come
pick him up in their Volvo.


cheers,

 

I'll bet that practically nobody in alt.bmw wonders about this.

 

Thanks for dragging this thread, kicking and screaming, back on topic.

 

So......... who has the Mercedes? There will be no peace until we figure out
what this has to do with cars or..... running?

 

Since this is a cross post, between alt.bmw, mercedes and volvo I just
want to say that Volvos are the best cars and that they rule big time!

There. Now this thread wont die for a while...

/Patrik

 

I don't think so - I know better. :O|

Stan de SD

1985 300SD - "Martha" (2003-present)
1968 142S (manual/gray) - "Olaf the Terrible" (1982-1983)
1968 142S (auto/white) - "The Parts Car" (1982-1983)
1959 PV544 (manual/white) - "The Igloomobile" (1983-1984)

 

Indeed. The question is, why are most taxis in the Middle East ancient
diesel Mercs? This is a big thing to have in common. Well, maybe Israelis
have it too good now (or not so good?) that many taxis are now from other
automobile manufacturers, such as VW Skoda... Is this a sign that
good-neighbourliness will be even harder to achieve?

DAS

 

Ooops, did I cut out all the crap that suggested Volvo's were better?...
quel dommage!!!!!! Merc's are used as taxis because they go on for ever.. a
bit of gas and a change of oil occasionally is all that they need.. BMW's
are not used because they are too fast and the resultant dust cloud that
they leave behind them pisses off the Merc drivers.. Checkers are way too
heavy and sink in the sand.. the use of VW Skoda is obviously part of a
'West' plot to ensure that nobody reaches their destination..

 

Volvo used to be great. MB used to be great. Both have "modern"
problems, eg electronics, quality of components by suppliers, etc. .

Volvo trucks are still great and older Volvo and MB are still great.

 

Well if that is the criteria then surely Mercurys, Oldsmobiles and
Plymouthes from the 50s and 60s must be the best cars, because in Cuba
there are loads of them. They dont break at all and the lucky Cubans
never need to buy new cars! Some pepole talk about a trade embargo but
I dont beleive that.

Me for one would not mind if all old diesel Mercs got shipped to the
Middle East. They really smell worse than other old cars. Why is that
anyway?

(I kept the crossposting to rec.running, because the issue with old
smelly diesel mercs is also related to running)

Take care and buy a Volvo next time!

/Patrik

 

They're no worse than the old Diesel Volvos, it's a shame they don't offer
modern Diesels over here, the only Volvo Diesels we got have the old VW 6 in
them.

 

I do not believe diesels will ever catch on in the US in any big way until
the financial dis-incentive is removed. You pay a premium up front for a
diesel, particularly the better diesels, and it takes a ton of miles to make
that cost up in fuel economy given that diesel and petrol prices in the US
are very close to each other. It would certainly be nice to have the
option, but for now it doesn't seem to me that the US is rich soil for
diesels. It will be interesting to see how sales for the diesel Liberty,
E-class and Volks come in after a year or so. I imagine all other
manufacturers will be monitoring those sales as well.

 

Actually, you should look at it the other way: diesels are popular in
Europe *because* of the incentives given to owners. Ie, lower taxes
on diesel fuel, lower road/excise taxes on ownership of diesel cars.

Without those incentives, of course they're not popular over here.

Floyd

 

Why should I do that? Cost is cost. If it cost more to buy, operate and then
loose money at resale, a diesel car here...then that is the main reason they
aren't readily accepted in the US. It doesn't matter one bit what is
happening in other countries. The fact is it costs more to own and operate a
diesel in the US than a comparable gas auto.

 

Sure, but there is no "dis-incentive" not to buy diesels,
just no "incentive" like there is in Europe. Get your
terminology straight.

Floyd

 

Take back that libel against Skoda! As a Canadian/North American you have
probably never experienced one...

;-)
DAS[/QUOTE]
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.. the use of VW Skoda is obviously part of a

 

Those old cars keep going because they are simply engineered and easy to
make parts for, and the Cubans CAN'T GET OR AFFORD TO GET nice shiny new
Japanese cars. The old East German Trabants also went on forever because
they had non-rusting Bakelite bodies, the people had to wait ages to get one
and then had no choice. Funny how, after the fall of the Wall, there was
suddenly a huge waste disposal problem with Trabants.

DAS
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Too generalised. The reasons for diesel popularity are various.

In Britain diesel fuel costs the same as petrol. Cars are taxed the same.

In other countries diesel fuel may be much cheaper but cars may be taxed
more heavily.

DAS