High mounted brake light comes on with headlights

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by swnicoll, Mar 9, 2005.

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    swnicoll Guest

    I have a 1990 240DL wagaon.

    I had a brake light go out last week, bought a new bulb...no biggie.

    Next day the bulb warning light on the dash went on again....this time
    its weird.

    If I brake, all 3 brake lights go on as they should - but so does
    warning light on dash.

    But if I turn the headlights on, the warning light comes on....and the
    high mounted brake light is on, whether I'm braking or not.

    I have tied wiggling sockets, replacing other two bulbs.....I removed
    and reseated the fuse and the problem went away for about 10 minutes,
    then came back.

    Any tips what to look for?

    Stu
     
    swnicoll, Mar 9, 2005
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  2. Try removing the tail light bulbs, then seeing if the problem is still there
    (I bet it isn't). Then try the bulbs one at a time to determine which side
    is causing the problem. Then, swap the bulbs to see if the problem stays
    with the side or with the bulb.

    If the bulb is doing it, replace the bulb. It will either be the wrong type
    (single filament instead of dual) or will be internally shorted by a broken
    piece of filament. If it stays with the side, look at the socket connection
    to the shell of the bulb and the ground connection to the socket. A
    voltmeter or test lamp helps, but it can be done without.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Mar 9, 2005
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    Glenn Klein Guest

    Check The tailgate harness were they go through the hinge for breakage

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    Glenn Klein, Mar 10, 2005
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    Mike F Guest

    To expand - the power wires for the 3rd brake light and license plate
    lights are in the same harness in the left hinge, they can short
    together there. Also, if the tailgate becomes ungrounded the licence
    lights can steal a ground through the brake light filaments. (There are
    wires in each hinge to ground the tailgate, in addition to the hinges
    themselves as well as the latch, so this is unlikely, but I've seen
    it.) And as the original responder said, the double filament bulbs in
    the taillights can have the 2 contacts on the bottom join together.

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    Mike F, Mar 10, 2005
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    murpheeee Guest

    Turns out it was as simple as a bad bulb - the new one.

    Thanks for you help.
     
    murpheeee, Mar 15, 2005
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    James Sweet Guest

    A bad bulb where? I can't think of a way a bad bulb could cause the center
    brakelight to come on when it's not supposed to.
     
    James Sweet, Mar 16, 2005
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  7. If the filaments were internally shorted together or (more commonly) the
    bulb was actually a single filament bulb, the taillight power will feed into
    the brake light circuit. The clue that headed me in that direction (or bad
    ground at the socket) was that he had just replaced the bulb when the
    problem started.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Mar 16, 2005
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  8. I can assure you James that a bad bulb can cause all sorts of problems. A
    bad turn/side bulb in a Pontiac GT was found to cause all the lights to
    flash when indicating a left turn only.

    Cheers, Peter.
     
    Peter K L Milnes, Mar 17, 2005
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