Hello (all funds below are listed in Canadian dollars, exchange is around 0.71 USD) ....well, it happened... I knew it would only be a matter of time... yes, that's right, my dad took the 960 to the local Volvo dealer for something, and started looking at the shinny new ones. He was completely in awe of the Titanium edition V70 2.5T, it was a very nice car... Personaly I would go the AWD with premium package and a few optional bolt ons... or the R ;-) Anyhow, he asked how much our car would be on a trade in, the guy said maybe 5-6000, he would have to see it to give us a final number. My dad of course was reduced to near tears by the fact that his lovely nearly mint condition, low KMs 960 would barely cover the taxes on a new car (or not even). He thinks he could get around 10000+ if he sold privately, I told him no one would give him more then around 8000-8500 for it (after looking at auto trader). 1993 960 wagon - smoke silver metallic cold weather package all the goodies normal included in the 960... leather, dual power seats with memory, power all, 6 speaker AM/FM (FM not working, I still have to fix it)/Cassette, ECC (ice cold air), load leveling, plus a Volvo tow hitch with wiring. Includes 4 snow tires on steel rims as well. 137 K Kms, all the service records, Volvo serviced every time, except for a few oil changes. Minor accident damage to the right rear quarter panel, panel was replaced... you can't tell anything was touched. The paint is in excellent condition everywhere, a few dings and stone chips associated with age of course... car has been garaged when not in use. Interior is immaculate, front driver seat leather is more worn then anywhere else, of course... but still quite nice, no cracks. So who is right? Dealer 00-6000 Me 00ish My father 000+ (he says the car is still worth all the money he payed for it) PS... we aren't thinking of actually selling it, he is just now extremely curious, and demanded I post this in the newsgroup for him. ....on a personal note, I will most likely be buying this car off him in 4 years, when he finally buys a new car... most likely a V70, or whatever is new at the time... unless it is too Ford based (he won't get it if there is a Ford engine in there)... How well do you think a 960 will hold up for ohhh another 10 years from now?... Do you think they are capable of doing a 20 year stint, I would like to keep it till it turns 20, by then I should have enough money to get a NEW car for a change...... hey at least I am moving up from used VW's :-), just taking a throwback in time to get the Volvo (91 Golf, 99 Golf TDI.... 4 years from now the 93 960...hopefully)