LED brake lites?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Perry Noid, Jan 21, 2004.

  1. Perry Noid

    Perry Noid Guest

    I noticed that Pep Boys has some LED lights configured as the 1156 and 1157
    bulbs my '89 240 wagon uses. While I have no doubt they would work, what
    effect would they have on the CHECK BULB warning system, since I'm sure they
    draw differently than filament bulbs do.... Alternatively, how about
    replacing only the center bulb with an LED-type? Since LEDs light up
    slightly faster than filament bulbs, I'd be interested in having at least
    one in the brake light system to give drivers behind me a little extra
    warning time!....

    m98767c at yahoo dot com
     
    Perry Noid, Jan 21, 2004
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    James Sweet Guest

    If you put them in both sides they shouldn't effect the bulb failure sensor.
    I've seen these LED retrofits before though, they don't utilize the
    reflector so they appear as rather dim spots of light, I doubt they're legal
    and the visibility certainly is lacking, I wouldn't use them.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 21, 2004
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  3. Perry Noid

    Perry Noid Guest

    thanks for the feedback! Guess I'll save my money and stay with the stock
    bulbs, didn't realize the LED replacements would be less visible, but it
    makes sense.....
     
    Perry Noid, Jan 21, 2004
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    Rusty Guest

    I bought a set of LED 1156's for my 760 wagon as a test set, to see how
    they would perform. Without the proper reflector, they offer truly weak
    performance. I couldn't in clear conscience drive around like that...And the
    relays don't like the low voltage either...the flash cycle is triple time,
    and then there's the bulb failure light on all the time...get the black
    tape.

    Nah. Want bright? Get new lamps and new matching bulbs. As good as anything
    out there.

    RS
     
    Rusty, Jan 22, 2004
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    steve sedlis Guest

    what you have to do is get the correct LED lights.

    Most of the LEDs available as taillight replacements are weak older
    generation LEDS - this is why they look bad after installation.

    Go to an electronics shop for newest generation 12-volt LEDs - maximum
    number of microfarads [mfd] you can get. The fun part is wiring them in so
    they stay stable on the road. They dont burn out and they dont produce heat,
    and they use 1/10th of the juice of regular bulbs to power them.

    Look at the latest ones on Public Works vehicles and emergency vehicles like
    fire trucks and ambulances. While they may cost more initially, you will
    save much money over time, since there are no bulbs to replace.

    Any doubts? Bench test with a 12v power supply before installing - if youre
    not happy, return them.

    cheers!
    steve
     
    steve sedlis, Jan 22, 2004
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    Seagull Guest

    But is it worth it? I've had cars go six years before needing a bulb
    replacement. I've had bulbs on those same cars that never went out.
    If you are blowing through bulbs so fast that cost savings is an issue,
    then I suggest you have other problems in your car's electrical ssytem...


    Cheers,
    -+JLS
     
    Seagull, Jan 22, 2004
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  7. Perry Noid

    James Sweet Guest

    Microfarads? That's a measurement of capacitance, what does it have to do
    with LED's?
     
    James Sweet, Jan 22, 2004
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  8. They reach full brightness almost instantly and don't get dimmer with age.

    I've seen LED replacements for all standard bulb types recently, so if you
    re-did your entire car with them, other than the headlights, you could
    leave your door open or have a short somewhere and it would take a couple
    of days to drain your battery. I've heard of LED headlight replacements,
    but they would require special lenses/reflectors. If someone cold make
    a viable halogen replacement, they'd make a fortune.
     
    Joseph Oberlander, Jan 22, 2004
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  9. It should be mcd [millicandela] the unit of measure for the overall
    brightness [luminous intensity] of an LED.
    The brightest sold [in the UK] at the moment I believe is around 14000 mcd
     
    Steve Rodgers, Jan 22, 2004
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  10. Perry Noid

    steve sedlis Guest

    there is a viable halogen replacement - Xenon. But it requires special bulb
    'elements' and a power pack. And they are very expensive - thats why they
    are a target of car thieves. But if youve ever driven with them, you say to
    yourself, wow what a difference......

    cheers!
    steve
     
    steve sedlis, Jan 23, 2004
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  11. Perry Noid

    steve sedlis Guest

    thank you for correcting me - MCD is correct.

    again, if in doubt, test on the bench before installing.

    cheers!
    steve

     
    steve sedlis, Jan 23, 2004
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  12. Perry Noid

    James Sweet Guest


    You need a special reflector and lense too unless you wanna blind people.
    LED's aren't much of a replacement for halogen, the efficiency is similar,
    their only advantage would be lifetime. LED's are very efficient for
    generating colored light because rather than generate white and throw away
    all the light in other colors with a filter you just generate only the color
    you need, but when you want white light they're not particularly efficient.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 23, 2004
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