New range of plug-in hybrids from Volvo and Saab

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by sjmmail2000-247, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. sjmmail2000-247

    Roadie Guest

    Burning fossil fuel at a remote plant to generate electricity which is
    then transmitted long distaances by grid does not strike me as a
    particularly Eco Friendly or Green substitute for buring fossil fuel
    locally.
     
    Roadie, Mar 20, 2008
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  2. sjmmail2000-247

    mjc13 Guest


    That's because you aren't recognizing how much more efficiently the
    power plant uses the fuel.
     
    mjc13, Mar 20, 2008
    #22
  3. sjmmail2000-247

    Roadie Guest

    Coal fired power plants are the most common and are not exactly an eco-
    friendly source of power given the immense amount of air-borne mercury
    and other pollutants that they create.
     
    Roadie, Mar 21, 2008
    #23
  4. sjmmail2000-247

    mjc13 Guest


    Note where, much earlier, I wrote that the benefit from using
    coal-derived electricity is much smaller. It isn't hard to find out how
    your power is generated, and most places you can 'sponsor' alternative
    power in the amount you use.
     
    mjc13, Mar 21, 2008
    #24
  5. sjmmail2000-247

    Roadie Guest

    There is no net benefit to converting energy from one source to
    electrical, moving it hundreds of miles then charging up a battery.
    There are different sources of energy, but the only way to define a
    clear winner is to ignore indirect costs and losses of the one you
    favor. As with the the arguments for corn-based substitutes for oil
    and hydrogen-based fuel cells.
     
    Roadie, Mar 24, 2008
    #25
  6. There is a net benefit to the environment if the process doesn't create
    either of the greenhouse gasses: methane and carbon dioxide. Solar,
    nuclear, hydro-electric and wind produced electrical energy satisfy this
    condition. That is why Sweden and much of the rest of the world is
    moving in this direction.
     
    Stephen Henning, Mar 24, 2008
    #26
  7. sjmmail2000-247

    Roadie Guest

    Which benefit are we now talking about. Is it financial cost,
    pollution or both. Realize that there are signficant side-costs to
    the first three sources of energy you mentioned.

    For example the process to build solar cells results in some really
    nasty chemicals. And the single country that produces most of those
    cells is not known for their record of proper pollutant disposal.
     
    Roadie, Mar 24, 2008
    #27
  8. sjmmail2000-247

    mjc13 Guest


    You are mistaken. There is a benefit if the conversion is
    efficient enough to exceed transmission losses and still be higher than
    the low conversion efficiency of crude oil to automobile motion. Believe
    me or not as you choose.
     
    mjc13, Mar 24, 2008
    #28
  9. The benefit is environmental. Greenhouse gases are very damaging.
    Chemicals that are not water borne nor air borne are easy to remediate.
    I worked in the semiconductor industry and we had a very small
    environmental footprint. Nuclear is also able to operate very safely as
    long as people get over this not-in-my-backyard attitude. Hydroelectric
    in New Zealand and other areas has a very small environmental footprint
    because the plants are located underground and don't interfere with any
    streams.
     
    Stephen Henning, Mar 28, 2008
    #29
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