speedometer sender unit - how does it work?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by jimsunz, Dec 31, 2004.

  1. jimsunz

    jimsunz Guest

    I have a 740 automatic estate(wagon ?)in the UK. The Haynes manual
    says that the sender unit is mounted on the back axle. This sender
    unit sends pulses to the electronic speedometer.

    How does this sender unit work?
    Are there magnets in the axle inducing pulses in a coil on the sender
    unit?
    Or is it an optical unit reading rotations of gear teeth?
    Or some other method?

    Secondly, Where does the cruise control get its pulses from?
    The Haynes manual says from the back of the speedometer. Does anyone
    know the correct connection?

    I have a kit cruise control that has been on the last 5 cars, various
    makes, all manual gear change. The pulses were taken from the ignition
    coil.
    I had it on my last 740 which had manual gearstick.
    The ignition coil pulse cannot be used on an automatic. Instead the
    kit has magnets which are strapped around the prop shaft, together
    with a pickup coil.
    I was wondering whether I could use the speedo connection mentioned
    above, instead of crawling under the car etc.

    Many thanks guys for your help.
     
    jimsunz, Dec 31, 2004
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    James Sweet Guest

    IIRC it uses a reluctance pickup, the sender is a coil stuck in the rear
    end, and there's metal teeth on the differential housing that pass by the
    end of the coil. You'd have to use an oscilloscope to see exactly what sort
    of signal this puts out but it will be pulses of some sort.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 31, 2004
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    Robert Dietz Guest

    As you said, the pickup is a coil wrapped around a permanent magnet. As
    the tone wheel castellations pass the end of the magnet the flux changes
    and induces an A/C current on the wires. As the speed increasesboth the
    frequency and amplitude fo the signal increase. If I remember correctly,
    the diff generates 48 pulses per revolution. Since the ABS uses the same
    pulse set for control it has to be modified to matched the pulses
    genrated by the front wheel sensors. If I remember correctly they use a
    64 or 80 tooth wheel. The rear signal is split, one leg remains unchanged
    and goes to the speedo. The other leg is fed through an AD converter and
    divided to represent a pulse rate indentical to the fronts and sent to
    the ABS controller. The raw signal from the rear sensor drives the speedo
    directly. There is an AD converter in the speedo that outputs a digital
    square wave that is sufficient for the factory cruise control unit.
    However if the amplitude is falling due to broken strands in the sender
    wires at the diff (when the signal is clipped if the amplitude is too low
    then the square wave is discontinuous at both ends)one can splice (jump)
    the two wire sets together in circuit to increase the cruise output
    signal strength.

    As for the Dana type cruise control, it's looking for two pulses per
    revolution and I'm afraid the OP will have to crawl under the car to
    install the two magnets and the pick up coil.

    Bob
     
    Robert Dietz, Jan 2, 2005
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  4. jimsunz

    James Sweet Guest


    Would it matter if the pulses are not exactly the same number per turn? The
    cruise control needs only a relative value, not an absolute speed
    measurement. Of course it needs to be in the same ballpark otherwise it'll
    be out of range at some speeds. Could also use a counter chip to divide down
    the signal to something appropriate for the cruise control.
     
    James Sweet, Jan 2, 2005
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