SRS light comes on - wipers and horn won't work

Skonnie · May 15, 2008

When I start my '90 740 Turbo, the SRS will stay lit. Perhaps
coincidentally, the radio, wipers and horn will not work while the SRS
light is lit. I've figured out that by jiggling the key in the
ignition, the light will go off and that everything on the car works
fine after that. Not a problem, right? Unfortunately, the guy
inspecting my car considers this to be a problem.

I've cleared the fault codes as well as reset the Service light that
comes on upon starting (the service light still comes on), all to no
avail. Someone a while back suggested my ignition switch as the
culprit.

Thoughts?

Chuck Fiedler · May 15, 2008

When I start my '90 740 Turbo, the SRS will stay lit. Perhaps
coincidentally, the radio, wipers and horn will not work while the SRS
light is lit. I've figured out that by jiggling the key in the
ignition, the light will go off and that everything on the car works
fine after that. Not a problem, right? Unfortunately, the guy
inspecting my car considers this to be a problem.

I've cleared the fault codes as well as reset the Service light that
comes on upon starting (the service light still comes on), all to no
avail. Someone a while back suggested my ignition switch as the
culprit.

Thoughts?
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And you didn't listen to that guy because..?

Methinks he was on to something.

Skonnie · May 15, 2008

And you didn't listen to that guy because..?

Methinks he was on to something.
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Just looking for alternate (read: simpler and cheaper) theories. In
particular, ones that don't involve me dismantling my dash. Its
always worth a try, right?

James Sweet · May 15, 2008

Chuck said:

And you didn't listen to that guy because..?

Methinks he was on to something.
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Agreed, this can turn into a serious issue. I'd second suspecting the
ignition switch.

Chuck Fiedler · May 15, 2008

Just looking for alternate (read: simpler and cheaper) theories. In
particular, ones that don't involve me dismantling my dash. Its
always worth a try, right?
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I'm guessing here but I *think* we're talking a disgusting amount
($~150) for the part and maybe an equal amount for a non-dealer
mechanic to do the work.

Do you have an independent mechanic who does Volvos? These ain't just
any mechanics.

Might want to let us know where you are and someone else here may know
a knowledgible mechanic to use.

James Sweet · May 15, 2008

Chuck said:

I'm guessing here but I *think* we're talking a disgusting amount
($~150) for the part and maybe an equal amount for a non-dealer
mechanic to do the work.

Do you have an independent mechanic who does Volvos? These ain't just
any mechanics.

Might want to let us know where you are and someone else here may know
a knowledgible mechanic to use.
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How about a junkyard part? Cheap, I don't think it's very hard to
replace. As I recall, the key lock portion is separate from the switch
portion.

Chuck Fiedler · May 15, 2008

There is something that can be done about the traffic

By Frank Greve | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Fine-tuning controls on the nation's traffic signals would cut U.S. road congestion by as much as 10 percent, transportation experts estimate.

It would also reduce air pollution from vehicles by as much as a fifth, cut accidents at intersections and save about five tanks of gas annually per household, according to the National Transportation Operations Coalition, an alliance of federal, state and local traffic departments and equipment-makers.

That's the good news. The bad news is that the average local traffic department earned an overall grade of D on the alliance's latest report card. Streamlining intersections is happening in only some cities and states, even though it's eminently doable.

"People who say we can't do anything about congestion are wrong. We can do lots," said Joel Marcuson, a specialist in urban intersections who's with the Jacobs Engineering Group Inc. in Phoenix.

Right now, however, three out of four of the nation's 300,000 traffic signals need replacement or timing adjustments for optimum performance, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation.

Among the obstacles are a nationwide shortage of skilled traffic engineers, unfocused local political leaders with tight budgets and stodgy local traffic departments. For that matter, federal aid that could ease congestion goes mainly to building and maintaining roads.

Nonetheless, lots of cities and at least seven states — California, Florida, Washington, Minnesota, Maryland, Georgia and Texas — are finding ways to move traffic through intersections faster, according to the transportation engineers group.

And where does your metropolitan area stand?

It could need improvement, traffic engineers say, if your answer is no to any of these questions:

* Can you sometimes make it through six to eight consecutive intersections on green lights?

* Is there useful traffic information on the radio and on roadside message signs?

* Is it rare that there's no cross traffic when you're stopped at a light?

* Can you drive into the next jurisdiction without encountering congestion at the border?

* Are predictable traffic jams, such as the post-game exits from stadium parking lots, handled adroitly?

Most traffic departments can do better at each of three levels of traffic management, Marcuson and other experts said: individual signals, coordinated signals and regional traffic management.

Technologically, most U.S. traffic signals remain very 20th century, said Philip Tarnoff, director of the Center for Advanced Transportation Technology at the University of Maryland in College Park.

Roadside or centralized timers drive most of them by changing lights at scripted intervals, he explained. "They tell the signals: `It's 6 a.m. Use timing schedule A until 9 a.m. Then use timing schedule B until 4 p.m.'"

If timers are accurate, and the prescribed signal intervals are based on accurate and recent traffic surveys, these systems can do as well as fancier ones in typical traffic situations.

That's a big if, however. Most timed systems aren't refreshed and adjusted at the three-year intervals recommended for busy intersections or ones that see big changes in traffic due to new homes or businesses. In the industry self-report card issued last year, traffic departments nationwide earned a collective F for traffic monitoring and data collection, which are key to well-timed intersections.

"As a result, signals may not operate based on actual traffic conditions, resulting in delays," the National Transportation Operations Coalition's report concluded. The 417 departments in 47 states on whose data the grade was based control nearly half of all U.S. intersections.

Even perfectly tuned timer-dependent signal systems can't adapt to unpredictable roadway events such as accidents, construction and bad weather. Together, those factors cause half of U.S. traffic congestion, according to Transportation Department statistics.

For all these reasons, Tarnoff and many other traffic engineers favor adaptive signal-timing systems first adopted 30 years ago in the United Kingdom and Australia. They measure traffic minute-to-minute with cameras or in-pavement sensors and automatically adjust signal times to maximize flow for existing conditions, including accidents, construction and bad weather.

These adaptive signals haven't caught on with local U.S. traffic departments, however. They're costly and challenging to program, and initial local U.S. experiments with foreign-made systems failed. So did efforts to come up with home-grown ones.

Samuel Staley, director of urban and land use policy at the Reason Foundation and a specialist in transportation, said traffic departments often lack the money, skill and local political power to innovate with adaptive technology.

"They're resistant to change, particularly if it involves learning a new technology," Staley said. "The small cities don't have the depth of technical knowledge, and the big cities, while they have depth of knowledge, also have a lot more politics that resists innovation."

Whatever the reason, more than 95 percent of U.S. traffic signals today are still timer-driven, Tarnoff estimates.

That makes more difficult the next step in signal streamlining: synchronizing a succession of lights so that motorists flow through them smoothly at the posted speed.

Timer-based signals at intersections typically gain or lose a few seconds a year, Marcuson said. Over two or three years, he continued, the drift can make synchronized traffic stop-and-go.

So can adjacent jurisdictions, such as municipalities and counties, whose traffic departments don't work together. That's commonplace. A third of the traffic departments responding to the report card said they did no signal coordination across their boundaries.

Regionalized traffic management is the secret in U.S. metropolitan areas that move traffic best. They include Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Los Angeles, Seattle, Kansas City, Denver, Houston, Miami-Dade County and the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area.

Among the most resourceful is Portland, Ore., which installed carbon dioxide emissions monitors at intersections before it improved their flow. The lower pollution that the monitors recorded enabled Portland to claim pollution-reduction credits that it sold for $560,000 on the carbon offset market. The money helped pay for Portland's intersection improvements.

Lakewood, Colo., another community that closely tracked before-and-after conditions, found that synchronizing lights at just 16 of its intersections delivered huge benefits. They included a daily savings of 635 hours in driving time, 172 gallons of gas and 758 pounds of pollution emissions, according to Denver's regional traffic authority.

Richard Plastino, Lakewood's director of public works, described the gains from improved intersections as "one of the few low-cost alternatives...to physical reconstruction of intersections and streets."

Then there's the real-life gain. Seattle, for example, retimed and synchronized more than 500 intersections between 1998 and 2002. The clearest result was a 20 percent drop in congestion on three of the city's major arteries.

As then-Seattle Mayor Paul Schell, the effort's leading proponent, argued at the time: "It's the one investment we can make in the near term that will make a difference in people's lives every day."

ON THE WEB

For a primer on optimized traffic signals, go to http://www.its.dot.gov/jpodocs/repts_te/14321.htm

To view a 13-minute Transportation Department video on improving intersection flow, titled "It's About Time," go to: http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/arterial_mgmt/outreach.htm

To read the latest transportation industry report card on local traffic department performance, go to: http://www.ite.org/reportcard/

A LOOK AT SOME STATES' TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS

Texas, a U.S. leader in traffic signal efficiency since the mid-90s, adjusts its state-operated signals every two or three years to reflect changes in traffic volume. Once in three years is a national goal unmet in many states. Austin, the capital, earned a rare grade of A on its National Traffic Signal Report Card for providing proactive annual maintenance to all the city's lights at no added cost to taxpayers.

Washington state coordinates the timing of half the 1,000 traffic signals that the state is responsible for. It checks the timing of signals on busy arteries every two-and-a-half years. That compares with a three-year standard unmet in many states. In addition, the transportation department now reports directly to the governor rather than to a transportation commission.

Minnesota, which is among the nation's leaders in traffic control, retimes signals on the state's main arteries every two years, said Steve Misgen, a Twin Cities metro traffic engineer. Most states and communities struggle to adjust their traffic signals every three years. Most signals can be adjusted from a central control center in Roseville, he added. The state's ratio of benefits to costs is well above 60 to 1, Misgen said, counting only gas savings from less waiting time at intersections.

Maryland is a leader in coordinating traffic corridors; about half of the 2,700 signals that the state controls are linked to other signals to optimize traffic flow, said Eric Tabacek, the division chief of the state office of traffic and safety. Maryland adjusts signal timing every three years — and has done so since the mid-1990s. It's a standard that many states are struggling to meet. In addition, Maryland is experimenting with intersection video monitors that continuously adjust traffic light timing to maximize traffic flow.

Florida, which is among the nation's leaders in traffic control, gets credit for its success in linking city, county and municipal systems to improve traffic flow, most recently in the Sarasota-Bradenton area and around Tallahassee. It's also a leader in managing lights from regional command centers. Mark Wilson, deputy state traffic operations engineer, said that checking the timing of Florida's signals every three years or less is a key goal.

Georgia focuses much of its energy on the 20-county area around Atlanta when it comes to traffic signal improvements. Since 2005, it's cut travel time in Atlanta's traffic corridors by 18 percent and time stopped by 39 percent, said Yancy Bachmann, assistant state traffic engineer. Macon and Columbus have also seen traffic signal improvements, he said.

California has new money for traffic signal improvements, unlike most states. A 2006 bond issue yielded $150 million for the Los Angeles area. Top priority there and elsewhere goes to intersection improvements that improve driving time, cut accidents and reduce air pollution. Those that involve multiple jurisdictions working together also are favored under the traffic signal initiative whose first grants are expected later this month.

(Researcher Tish Wells contributed to this story.)
McClatchy Newspapers 2008

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How about a junkyard part? Cheap, I don't think it's very hard to
replace. As I recall, the key lock portion is separate from the switch
portion.
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Two thoughts:

Not everyone is into going to junkyards and all that entails and then,
presumably doing the repair themselves, although there is much to be
said for, and saved by, doing this.

Also, IIRC, most cars have a lock (the part the key operates) and the
switch (electrical part that makes the car run) and they're seperable.
Could be wrong in this instance.

My advice remains to see a good mechanic with Volvo familiarity.

Chuck Fiedler · May 15, 2008

On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:05:48 -0500, Chuck Fiedler

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Sorry for posting the news article. Human error.

Skonnie · May 15, 2008

Sounds like the consensus is that its the ignition switch. Guess
that's my next project.

I'm in Austin, and there are three good shops here that I'd trust with
my Volvo. However, I'm still going to try and replace it myself.
Found a used ignition switch for about $45. I think I'm most freaked
by installing the switch, which involves drilling out two bolts or
cutting straight slots into the bolts for removal. Would this be
necessary if I simply replace the switch? According to my '82-'88
manual, the two bolts hold both the switch as well as the key lock
portion, so I'm guessing I have to remove both.

Skonnie · May 15, 2008

Almost forgot to ask - is there a any sort of test or diagnostic I can
run to see if the ignition switch is bad?

Chuck Fiedler · May 15, 2008

Sounds like the consensus is that its the ignition switch. Guess
that's my next project.

I'm in Austin, and there are three good shops here that I'd trust with
my Volvo. However, I'm still going to try and replace it myself.
Found a used ignition switch for about $45. I think I'm most freaked
by installing the switch, which involves drilling out two bolts or
cutting straight slots into the bolts for removal. Would this be
necessary if I simply replace the switch? According to my '82-'88
manual, the two bolts hold both the switch as well as the key lock
portion, so I'm guessing I have to remove both.
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If you have a Haynes or other good manual and it says this is what's
necessary, I'd buy it as fact. I seem to recall this being the case.
If you slot-cut them, you can reuse them. If you drill them out (which
I would be disinclined to do), you would need to buy two new ones.

As for your second note, I don't know of any diagnostic test that will
isolate this matter. I am inclined to think this is the most likely
culprit and, if you can fix it for $45 and a little labor, it's
certainly not wasted.

You might check with Beasley Motors there in Austin to get a wrapped
price for the whole job. I have had very good luck with them. Of
course, they don't set parts prices but it's worth knowing what your
sweat is worth.

Skonnie · May 16, 2008

Never taken it to Beasley, but I've heard they are good sorts.
Phoenix and Vol-Tech have done work for me, both with good results.

Haynes does not mention having to cut slots in the bolts but Chilton
does. Time to find a friend with a dremel tool. Thanks for your
advice, it helped a great deal.

Chuck Fiedler · May 16, 2008

Never taken it to Beasley, but I've heard they are good sorts.
Phoenix and Vol-Tech have done work for me, both with good results.

Haynes does not mention having to cut slots in the bolts but Chilton
does. Time to find a friend with a dremel tool. Thanks for your
advice, it helped a great deal.
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Not living in Austin (I'm in Dallas), I'm not familiar with Phoenix
nor Vol-tech. Have ordered parts from Beasley since they were some
other name I can't recall. They give a VCOA discount and were much
cheaper, even with freight, than the Dallas folk. I see from the
latest issue of Rolling that Vol-tech also gives a VCOA discount.

Good luck and enjoy standing on your head. Oh yeah, wear goggles when
you do this. Metal shavings in the eye are kinda painful (don't ask
how I know).

Chuck Fiedler
Nothing but Volvo since 1974

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