Start problem Model 740 Year 1989

Discussion in 'Volvo 740' started by Ulf Berghman, Jun 12, 2004.

  1. Ulf Berghman

    Ulf Berghman Guest

    My 1989 Volvo Model 740 just stopped, (230'000 Km). For the last weeks the
    engine has worked uneven when in Idle. Yesterday when starting, the engine
    suddenly only ignited on one cylinder. After a couple of tries (I had to get
    the car off the street) it died totally. The fuel pump rely was replaced for
    about 3 years ago, (so it should be okay). The check box is blinking 1-1-1,
    which indicated that everything should be fine. I have checked all cables
    and cleaned connectors etc.. Still the engine won't start. Can anybody come
    up with some ideas about what is wrong?
     
    Ulf Berghman, Jun 12, 2004
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  2. Ulf Berghman

    Rod Gray Guest

    Check the radio supressor relay at the right front wheel well. But if it was
    running on one cylinder sounds more like the ECU is bad.
     
    Rod Gray, Jun 12, 2004
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  3. Ulf Berghman

    Peter Milnes Guest

    Have you checked for codes on all checkbox (OBD) pins? IIRC There are at least
    two pins to check on your model (2 & 6).

    Cheers, Peter.



    : My 1989 Volvo Model 740 just stopped, (230'000 Km). For the last weeks the
    : engine has worked uneven when in Idle. Yesterday when starting, the engine
    : suddenly only ignited on one cylinder. After a couple of tries (I had to get
    : the car off the street) it died totally. The fuel pump rely was replaced for
    : about 3 years ago, (so it should be okay). The check box is blinking 1-1-1,
    : which indicated that everything should be fine. I have checked all cables
    : and cleaned connectors etc.. Still the engine won't start. Can anybody come
    : up with some ideas about what is wrong?
    :
    :
     
    Peter Milnes, Jun 13, 2004
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  4. Ulf Berghman

    Ulf Berghman Guest

    I did not know about the "pin 2" option. Anyhow, I checked and the error
    code is following:
    3-1-2
    2-3-1
    1-1-3
    Do you know what the codes indicated and where (generally) are the codes
    listed?
    The "pin 6" codes remains all three (3); 1-1-1
    thanks - Ulf
     
    Ulf Berghman, Jun 13, 2004
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  5. Ulf Berghman

    Ulf Berghman Guest

    I checked and found the relay "hanging" on its cables loose by the front
    weel weel. The bracket/holder seems to be lost. How should it look like? I
    will purchase a "new" relay tomorrow by Volvo. The realy is most likely bad
    after vibrations etc.. How can I find out? Short circuit, so the fuel pump
    gets power?
    However, I checked the ECU error codes with pin 2 connection and found
    following:
    3-1-2
    2-3-1
    1-1-3
    The pin 6 showes: 1-1-1. do you know anything about the codes?
    Thanks - Ulf
     
    Ulf Berghman, Jun 13, 2004
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    Rod Gray Guest

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    Bev A. Kupf Guest

    Ulf - the codes are listed over here:
    <http://brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/EngineOBDCodes.htm>

    I suspect you have a fuel injector problem.
     
    Bev A. Kupf, Jun 13, 2004
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  8. Ulf Berghman

    Peter Milnes Guest

    Pin 6 showing 1-1-1 means there is no ignition system fault. Pin 2 showing 3-1-2
    means no knock sensor output, 2-3-1 means fuel supply too rich or too weak in
    part-load stage and 1-1-3 means fuel supply too rich/weak. This latter code
    backs up the previous code the main fault being the lack of signal from the
    knock sensor. This is to be found about halfway along the left hand side of the
    engine just below the head-block joint. It has a screened cable to feed it's
    signal to the ECU which may have become detatched from it's connector to the
    wiring loom. Make sure that the connector is OK and in good contact then reset
    the OBD codes The codes are found in the Haynes 940 manual sections 4A (Fuel)
    and 5B (Ignition), as is the reset information. The relevant information is also
    to be found in the Chilton manuals C72300 and C72302, both available from Haynes
    publishing on http://www.haynes.co.uk where they do mail order.

    Cheers, Peter.

    : I checked and found the relay "hanging" on its cables loose by the front
    : weel weel. The bracket/holder seems to be lost. How should it look like? I
    : will purchase a "new" relay tomorrow by Volvo. The realy is most likely bad
    : after vibrations etc.. How can I find out? Short circuit, so the fuel pump
    : gets power?
    : However, I checked the ECU error codes with pin 2 connection and found
    : following:
    : 3-1-2
    : 2-3-1
    : 1-1-3
    : The pin 6 showes: 1-1-1. do you know anything about the codes?
    : Thanks - Ulf
    :
    :
    : : > Check the radio supressor relay at the right front wheel well. But if it
    : was
    : > running on one cylinder sounds more like the ECU is bad.
    : >
    : > : > > My 1989 Volvo Model 740 just stopped, (230'000 Km). For the last weeks
    : the
    : > > engine has worked uneven when in Idle. Yesterday when starting, the
    : engine
    : > > suddenly only ignited on one cylinder. After a couple of tries (I had to
    : > get
    : > > the car off the street) it died totally. The fuel pump rely was replaced
    : > for
    : > > about 3 years ago, (so it should be okay). The check box is blinking
    : > 1-1-1,
    : > > which indicated that everything should be fine. I have checked all
    : cables
    : > > and cleaned connectors etc.. Still the engine won't start. Can anybody
    : > come
    : > > up with some ideas about what is wrong?
    : > >
    : > >
    : >
    : >
    :
    :
     
    Peter Milnes, Jun 13, 2004
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  9. Ulf Berghman

    Ulf Berghman Guest

    Thank you for your information. Today is Monday and I was this morning in
    contact with Volvo here in Luxembourg. They claim the engine should start
    even if the "knock sensor" is malfunctioning. It must be something else. I
    have done following today (and yesterday):

    1 - take the "radio relay" apart and checked, (very clean inside) works
    fine.

    2 - take the "fuel injection relay" apart and checked, (very clean inside),
    works fine.

    3 - checked the cable connector to the "knock sensor" and cleaned.

    4 – Total “power off” (disconnected the battery).



    Next I checked the error codes:

    pin 6: 1-1-1 (3 times)

    pin 2: 1-1-1 (3 times)



    I attempted to start the engine. Still did not ignite. Note: I could smell
    gasoline (so the pump etc. appears to functioning).

    Again I checked the error code:

    pin 6: 1-1-1 (3 times)

    pin 2: 3-1-2 (3 times)



    Volvo does not have any parts in stock. They have to order from U.K. and I
    should have a new “knock sensor” tomorrow. But I need the car today and as
    said the “knock sensor” should not make the car refuse to start.

    Anybody have an idea what is going on?
     
    Ulf Berghman, Jun 14, 2004
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  10. Ulf Berghman

    Ulf Berghman Guest

    Now the problem is solved. A neighbour told me he basically have had the
    same problem last year. Squirrels are during the night eating the cables. I
    checked the ignition cables and they had a lot of tooth marks. After taking
    away the plugs and clean out a "wet" engine, replacing two cables (to the
    radio relay and the ignition coil) looking "suspicious" (plus the ignition
    cables), the car started up fine. Next week when I am back from Germany, I
    will check the "knock sensor" etc..
     
    Ulf Berghman, Jun 14, 2004
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    Ulf Berghman Guest

    So now the "knock sensor" has been exchanged and no error message. Also, I
    have installed an ultra sonic device recommended by my neighbour (giving a
    12 KHz/85 dB sound), to keep the Squirrels away (and rats). However, more
    problems, when in Germany, I recognized that the fuel consumption was much
    higher then previously. I checked for error codes and got following:

    2-2-1: Fuel trim (lambda control) too lean at part load; Lean; air leak; low
    fuel pressure; bad AMM

    1-1-3: Fuel trim (lambda control) too lean or rich; Mixture incorrect; O2S
    wiring fault

    2-1-3: Throttle switch full load setting faulty or grounding short; Wiring
    fault to TPS or TPS failure

    I will check the AMM and the O2 (Oxygen Sensor) as well as the TPS. BUT why
    do I get all these sensor errors?
     
    Ulf Berghman, Jun 20, 2004
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