Tranny lifespan on '89 245

Discussion in 'Volvo 240' started by chris mayhew, Oct 11, 2004.

  1. chris mayhew

    chris mayhew Guest

    The manual tranny on my '89 245 just died with little warning, eg
    from a slight noise to undrivable within about two weeks. The car has
    169xxx miles on it.

    1) This strikes me as somewhat soon for a failure of the gearbox. What
    say ye?

    2) Is there anything in particular that leads to this sort of failure?

    3) I was suprised by the cost (~$2k for the factory remanufactured
    tranny alone). Anything to say?


    Input from James Sweet, Mike F, Mike T or Mike C very much
    appreciated.
     
    chris mayhew, Oct 11, 2004
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  2. chris mayhew

    Vic Guest

    That is very unusual, in my experience the standard trannys have been nearly
    bulletproof, in fact we've done numerous automatic to manual conversions for
    that reason.

    what exactly happend and what does the trans do now?

    Vic

    Ithaca, NY
     
    Vic, Oct 11, 2004
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  3. chris mayhew

    Lj Guest

    Very strange,they normally last the carĀ“s entire life.
     
    Lj, Oct 11, 2004
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  4. chris mayhew

    chris mayhew Guest

    It's been making a rattling noise in 2nd, 3rd and 5th for about two
    weeks. Almost like a loose heatshield, except it's in sync with the
    engine RPM. On the drive, when coasting in 5th it would occasionally
    make a noise somewhat like going over rippled pavement.
    Pulling off the interstate, I had to fight to get it out of 5th, could
    not get it in 1st or 2nd at all (engine on/off, idling). Starting it
    the next day to drive a block to the mechanic there was a horrible
    noise coming from under the car (previous noises from the front of the
    car) and very hard to drive. Diagnosis was dead gearbox/tranny.
     
    chris mayhew, Oct 11, 2004
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  5. chris mayhew

    TEF Guest

    While I am not an expert, I recall from one of the Volvo websites (Swedish
    Brick, I think) that the M47 (5 speed) transmission was not known to be as
    durable as the M46 (4 speed plus OD). Its shorter life was due to
    insufficient lubrication because the oil filler hole was supposedly located
    too low on the housing causing the oil level, in turn, to be the same.
    Having said that the M46 is more durable, mine went out (1st and 2nd gear
    synchos) at less than 100K miles. However, using the car in Seoul and Tokyo
    might have contributed to this since the car was rarely shifted up to third
    gear because of heavy city traffic.

    You might consider replacing your defective box with an M46. They are
    common in wrecking yards and not that expensive. Of course, you might have
    to change the drive shaft too as the length of the two trannies will
    probably vary. The M47 likely shorter without the added OD of the M46.

    As I found out, most of this work is just parts swapping and, in time, a
    suitable substitution can be done for a lot less than $2K. In my case, I
    swapped out a newer M46 in a 745 with one from an older 240.
     
    TEF, Oct 12, 2004
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  6. chris mayhew

    Vic Guest

    the m46 actualy uses a different flywheel than the m47, other than that its
    just the wiring for the OD solenoid. Drive shafts are all the same in the
    240 series.

    Vic Ithaca, NY
     
    Vic, Oct 12, 2004
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  7. chris mayhew

    James Sweet Guest


    Is that the 5 speed M47? They're known to be a bit weak and from what I
    gather the fill hole is too low on the side so they're regularly run with
    too little fluid.

    I'm not sure why you'd even look at factory remanufactured manual gearboxes
    personally, I've never paid more than $75 for a transmission and have yet to
    have a dud, if there's a U-pull yard around I would encourage you to look
    for a replacement, ideally an M46 4 speed with OD, you'll need the front
    half of the driveshaft, the shifter assembly, and the wiring harness and
    relay for the overdrive if you go that route. If you can find another M47
    that would be easier.
     
    James Sweet, Oct 13, 2004
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  8. chris mayhew

    James Sweet Guest


    Same flywheel, it depends on the year of the car, older ones had the flat
    flywheel, newer ones (and turbos) had the dished flywheel. Clutch is
    specific to the flywheel type, transmissions are interchangeable and can be
    used with either the flat or dished flywheels. I put an M47 (too lazy to put
    in the OD wiring at the time and thought it'd be cool and unusual) in an '86
    245 using the flat flywheel from an '83 and the corresponding clutch. Works
    fine, but if I were to do it again I'd go with the M46, I don't like the way
    the 47 shift pattern is, after driving my M46 all the time whenever I drive
    the M47 I tend to run the shifter into the gate between 3rd and 5th when
    trying to go into 3rd.
     
    James Sweet, Oct 16, 2004
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