Volvo 740 engine to 940...

Discussion in 'Volvo 940' started by sno, Dec 8, 2003.

  1. sno

    sno Guest

    I was wondering if anyone knew, if a 16 valve 1990
    740 engine, would fit into a 1995 940....without
    major problems...???

    thank you for your help......sno
     
    sno, Dec 8, 2003
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  2. sno

    William Liao Guest

    The short answer is yes, it will fit. But it won't be just changing the
    engine, you'll also need to change some fuel injection components to suit
    the 16 valve engine, such as ECU. And if your car is auto, it is also
    strongly advised that you change the gearbox too. 16 valve engine got AW72
    gearbox, it has slightly modified gear ratio compared to AW70 / 71 fitted to
    all other models to improve driveability as 16 valve has less torque at
    lower revs.
    _________________
    Will
    '90 Volvo 744 GLT
    B230F converted to B230FB (531 Head & VX3 Cam)
     
    William Liao, Dec 9, 2003
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  3. sno

    sno Guest

    Thank you very much for the info......sno

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    sno, Dec 9, 2003
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  4. sno

    William Liao Guest

    On the other hand, I personally don't think the 16 Valve engine is worth
    converting to. For starters, the 16 Valve engine is an interference design,
    which means if the timing belt breaks, the cylinders will smash into the
    valves and bend them and you'll need to replace the valves... or replace the
    whole cylinder head (which usually turns out to be cheaper if you factor in
    the labour cost, unless you're doing it yourself). The 16 Valve's cylinder
    block is also different to the 8 Valve's, it's not as robust. It also has
    an external mounted oil pump, with very long (and weak) bolts. And when
    that breaks, your timing belt comes loose and you're looking at replacing
    the valves again. It is a more advanced design, with balance shafts and
    hydraulic self-adjusting tappets. But remember, the more complicated the
    design is, the more potential there is for something to go wrong. After
    all, this engine is 13 years old.

    I presume the original engine for your 940 is 8 Valve, non-turbo. If it's
    more power you're interested in, you can either tune the current engine (if
    it's still running) or drop in a Turbo engine. A well tuned B230F engine
    with a different cylinder head, hotter cam, better ignition system (better
    plugs, leads, coils) plus modifications to the intake & exhaust to free up
    the restrictions (eg. sports exhaust, polished head, better air filter...
    etc) can deliver as much power as the 16 Valve, if not more. And you don't
    need to worry about changing the gearbox. Alternatively, a stock 740 / 940
    Turbo engine offers you more power than a 16 Valve engine and shares the
    same reliable cylinder block / head design as the non-turbo models. If
    you're changing to a Turbo engine, you'll also need to change some of the
    fuel injection components, and if your gearbox is AW70 it's a good idea to
    upgrade to AW71, same gear ratios but a stronger, more durable version
    designed to handle the extra power.

    Anyway that's just my personal opinion. Good luck with whatever you decide
    to go with.
    _________________
    Will
    '90 Volvo 744 GLT
    B230F converted to B230FB (531 Head & VX3 Cam)
     
    William Liao, Dec 9, 2003
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  5. B230F SOHC motor with the same HP as a DOHC ? How exactly do you pick
    up that extra 52 HP ?
     
    A Very Old Kid, Dec 10, 2003
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  6. sno

    sno Guest

    I agree with what you say....about the 16 valve....had
    a oil pump bolt break 20 K miles ago and had it rebuilt...
    Is the reason would like to keep it (the engine)....feel
    it is good for another 200 K.....at least....

    Have ran across a 940 that has a great body....much better
    looking and shape then mine....but has blown engine..
    since it is much easier for me to trade engines am
    thinking that is what I will do....if there are no
    major problems....which appears to be the case....

    thank you for listening to my thoughts....sno
     
    sno, Dec 10, 2003
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  7. sno

    Rob Guenther Guest

    Why not the turbo 8 valve?

    My dad had a 16 Valve 740 when I was growing up, and he said it was an
    annoying engine to have... More power then our 8V, but you had to rev high
    to really get it. He loved how much smoother the thing ran tho.

    ..... Drop the bi-turbo Inline 6 engine in...... that would be sweet 268hp
    stock ;-). (I think this would involve a LOT of work tho..)
     
    Rob Guenther, Dec 10, 2003
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  8. sno

    William Liao Guest

    For starters, you're only picking up an extra 35 HP, not 52 HP. B230F SOHC
    produces 115 HP, while B234F DOHC produces 150 HP.

    With a B230F, the first place you'd start is probably the cylinder head and
    camshaft. From 1991 the B230F engine received an update, with a 531
    cylinder head and VX3 camshaft. This updated engine was re-named B230FB and
    it produces 130 HP, but for some reason not released in North American
    market. Having said that, you can still build your own B230FB simply by
    mounting a 531 head and VX cam on an origianl B230F engine. 531 cylinder
    head has a better designed intake and exhaust ports for extra flow, slightly
    larger combustion chamber and more centrally located spark position, and VX
    cam has a lot more lift on the intake lobe than the M cam found in B230F
    engines.

    After this conversion, you're looking at only 20 extra HP to close the gap
    between SOHC and DOHC engines, which isn't a lot. A ported & polished head
    with a free flow exhaust is probably the next thing I'll be looking at, and
    anything else to reduce the intake & exhaust restrictions, such as K&N high
    performance air filter. I'll also use the fuel injectors from the Turbo
    models which has a higher flow rate. Depends what you do here, you can
    easily gain 5 to 7 extra HP, if not more. Lastly, a ECU / Chip upgrade will
    give you at least 15 extra HP. Volvo (and few other car manufacturers I
    persume) has an ECU which de-tune the engine so it can handle more abuse and
    negligence on maintenance, which you can re-gain by ECU or chip upgrade.
    And if you fit a set of good high performance spark plugs, such as NGK
    iridiums, and a good set of ignition lead and coil, it might even give your
    SOHC engine an edge over a stock DOHC!

    If you're serious, it's not hard to modify a B230F to give as much output as
    a B234F. Afterall, the old B20 block used in 144's can be modified to
    produce 160 HP, still naturally aspirated, and that's only 2.0 litres with
    overhead valve technology!
    _________________
    Will
    '90 Volvo 744 GLT
    B230F converted to B230FB (531 Head & VX3 Cam)
     
    William Liao, Dec 11, 2003
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  9. sno

    William Liao Guest

    In that case I can understand. Just remember, you're not only fitting the
    engine, you're also fitting all the associated electronic fuel injection
    components as well. You may also need to convert the engine cooling fan.
    '95 Volvo 940 has an electric fan, but your '90 Volvo 740 has an mechanical
    engine driven fan. Since the '90 model's ECU isn't programmed to run the
    electric fan, you may have to convert the electric fan setup in the '95 back
    to the mechanical engine driven setup, and add the auxilary electric fan in
    the front for the aircon... although I can't be certain. Either case, I
    would strongly recommend a good set of engine wiring diagrams for fuel
    injection and ignition system for both cars, preferably from Volvo, and
    study them carefully before you proceed with the conversion.

    Oh, and check if the 940 has Bosch fuel injection system, or the Bendix /
    Regina. If it's the Bendix Regina system then you'll need to swap a whole
    lot of engine wiring harness, as the 16 Valve only had Bosch system. If the
    940 also has Bosch system then you're in luck and most, if not all of the
    fuel injection components should be just plug and play.

    Other than that, it's highly recommended to swap the transmission too as I
    mentioned in an earlier reply. I believe the rear diff. ratio for both cars
    are the same at 4.10:1 (presuming the 940 is non-turbo) so you should be
    fine with that.

    Good luck with the conversion, hope it all work out as planned.
    _________________
    Will
    '90 Volvo 744 GLT
    B230F converted to B230FB (531 Head & VX3 Cam)
     
    William Liao, Dec 11, 2003
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  10. sno

    sno Guest

    Thanks again for the info....I had planned on really
    checking the wiring close....as had assumed would be
    some changes....

    Have had experience with rewiring....and did a couple
    of 240's with no problem....making my own harnesses....

    sno
     
    sno, Dec 11, 2003
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  11. sno

    James Sweet Guest

    You can't just swap the injectors, the injection computer is hard coded with
    the amount of fuel that will flow for a given duty cycle to the injectors.
    Put the wrong ones in there and it'll just run rich, if it runs at all.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 11, 2003
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  12. sno

    William Liao Guest

    You're right... my bad. Just checked the data on the N/A injectors and
    Turbo injectors for Volvo online, the flow rate is quite different and it's
    likely to flood the engine.

    So maybe a more subtle way to increase fuel flow would be using a different
    fuel pressure regulator with a slightly higher pressure rating? Coz if
    you've modified your cylinder head, camshaft, exhaust and intake system to
    increase the airflow, you'll probably want to increase the amount of fuel
    going to the engine slightly to take advantage of the extra air and thus
    produce more power... As long as you still maintain the stoichiometry ratio
    of 14.7 : 1
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    Will
    '90 Volvo 744 GLT
    B230F converted to B230FB (531 Head & VX3 Cam)
     
    William Liao, Dec 12, 2003
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  13. How much do you figure this upgrade would cost ? Sounds as expensive
    as a turbo upgrade. Do you have a link for ecu / chip upgrades ? I
    thought the dohc put out 156hp, not 150. Do you have any dyno'd proof
    of the hp ratings of this upgrade ? I am looking for some low costs
    upgrades until I can finish my 347 stroker motor for my 240. By the
    way, the K&N filter, upgraded coil, plugs and wires might net you 1 hp
    if you're lucky...
     
    A Very Old Kid, Dec 12, 2003
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  14. sno

    James Sweet Guest

    Some research is in order, you need to calculate out the maximum flow rate
    of the stock injectors and see if they're capable of the HP you intend to
    produce. Without forced injection you need to focus on air flow, get the air
    flow up and more fuel will automatically be injected until you run out of
    headroom with the stock injectors. If you need more flow, you can install
    turbo injectors but you'll need to change the ECU, I would recommend
    something like this http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html. Max power is
    actually not produced right at stoich, it's a compromise on either side
    between performance, economy and emissions. Lots of good info out there.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 12, 2003
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    Mike F Guest

    Not only are the flow rates completely different, the turbo injectors
    are used with a voltage dropping resistor pack, and will quickly burn
    out if used at the full 12 volts that the non turbo injectors are used
    at.

    You shouldn't have to increase fuel flow, that's all mapped out in the
    ECU. The air mass meter measures air mass, the ECU gets RPM info from
    the ignition computer, so it knows when and how long to open the
    injectors. The only problem would be if you get beyond what is mapped.
    Generally extra fuel is injected at high power settings on highly tuned
    engines to make sure that there is no chance that the mixture will go
    into a lean condition.

    The other problem you'd need to deal with is the spark advance curve -
    the camshaft will have an effect on the optimum advance curve.

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    Mike F, Dec 12, 2003
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  16. sno

    William Liao Guest

    Volvo did produce a tune-up kit for B230F engine. The kit includes a 531
    cylinder head, VX cam and 60mm exhaust (same size as Turbo / 16V I assume).
    In the Volvo accessories brochure, it claims that you can achieve 136hp
    (100kW). The brochure also includes power and torque graph before and after
    the tune-up kit. I haven't checked the cost or availability of this kit at
    a Volvo dealer, but I've head that it cost around USD$2000 and they stopped
    marketing them about a year ago.

    So far what I've done to my 740 is almost the same as the kit, except I got
    my 531 cylinder head and VX3 cam (VX3 is VX retarded 3 degrees to improve
    low end and driveability) used at a wrecking yard and had it reconditioned
    before I installed it. All up including labour and the gaskets I've spent a
    bit over AU$1200 (USD$900). I haven't done my exhaust yet and I'm
    estimating my engine output to be 130hp (96kW), which is the output Volvo
    publishes for the B230FB engine, as my upgrade effectively converts my
    engine from a B230F to B230FB.

    You're right about the K&N filter, coil, plugs, wires and distributor cap
    giving you a very small power gain, if at all. But if they are a bit old
    and haven't been changed for a while, you might actually have lost 1 or 2hp
    there, so changing them allows you to regain the power you've lost and
    freshen up your engine. That's what I was trying to suggest.

    Different market have different emission equipments and thus different power
    output rating. Take the B230F engine for example, the American brochure
    says 114hp, the Japanese brochure says 115hp, the UK brochure (and my
    owner's manual) says 116hp. Also there's the difference of SAE vs. DIN, SAE
    (American standard) measures power at the flywheel and allows ancillaries
    (alternator, power steering pump etc.) to be disconnected, while DIN (German
    standard) measures power at the rear wheels and all engine ancillaries has
    to be connected. The B30E engine in my 164E for example is rated at 175hp
    SAE and 160hp DIN, exact same engine. For fairness, I got all my
    performance data out of a '91 Japanese catalogue, which has specs on B230F,
    B230FB, B234F and other engines such as B230FT and B280F. All the power
    rating in that catalogue is in DIN, except the 16 Valve B234F's power is
    given as 150hp (SAE), so really the true DIN rating of the B234F is LESS
    than 150hp.

    Here's a link to a website that produces ECU / chip upgrades.
    http://www.powerchipgroup.com/

    I don't have any dyno'd proof as I've only done the cylinder head and cam.
    I can however scan you the torque and power graph from the accessories
    brochure, which includes the upgraded 60mm exhaust as well (only 3 pieces -
    the bend over the rear axle, rear muffler and tailpipe). But given that you
    can easily gain 20hp with the tune-up kit and reach 136hp, I think it won't
    be hard to gain another 14hp to reach 150hp if you do a more comprehensive
    upgrade of the exhaust (doing the header and cat section as well), port and
    polish your intake manifold, ECU upgrade or even a hotter cam. The VX cam
    which I've been referring to so far is NOT a performance cam, it is a mild
    cam designed to boost mainly the mid range and slight gain on top end
    without too much compromise at the low end, and still allow you to pass
    emissions. If you're more interested in high end performance and increasing
    your HP rating, try A cam or V cam. I decided to stick with VX because my
    car's automatic and I don't want to loose my low end too much otherwise
    driveability will be affected.
    _________________
    Will
    '90 Volvo 744 GLT
    B230F converted to B230FB (531 Head & VX3 Cam)
     
    William Liao, Dec 13, 2003
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