What does the overdrive do?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by VladicRavich, May 21, 2007.

  1. VladicRavich

    VladicRavich Guest

    I just bought a 1989 Volvo 740 GL and it has that button for the
    overdrive. What does it do? and when should I use it? I know this
    is probably a stupid question, but I would still much appreciate an
    answer. I'm sure whatever it is, it's only half as endearing as the
    hand cranked sunroof.
     
    VladicRavich, May 21, 2007
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    viktor weisshaeupl, May 21, 2007
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  3. VladicRavich

    Roger Mills Guest

    In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
    It's an additional 2-speed gearbox behind the main gearbox. When it's Off,
    the main gearbox output drives straight through to the axle. When the
    overdrive is engaged, it provides a higher gear than normal top gear -
    useful for quieter cruising and improved fuel economy. I don't know anything
    about the overdrive used by Volvo but overdrives in general can usually only
    be engaged when the main gearbox is in top gear (plus maybe the next one
    down).
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    Roger Mills, May 21, 2007
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  4. It is an extra little gearbox with one gear and a little clutch outside the 4
    gears-gearbox. It can be engaged only when you are in forth gear. The 4 gears
    are shifted mechanically, the overdrive is controlled by a solenoid and oil
    pressure when you press the button in 4th gear. It is practically a 5th gear.
    You use it like a 5th gear as soon as you have reached the rpms when you would
    change gear with a 5 gears manual gear box. Be sure to use the clutch before
    pressing the button. When you want to shift back to gear 4, press clutch again
    and press button again. When you are in gears 1, 2, 3 the overdrive can not be
    engaged. The overdrive is also controled by a relay near the fuses.
    did you mean enduring? I have one with 376.000 km. The only thing I have
    replaced is the relay some time ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdrive_(mechanics) gives more info.

    Viktor
     
    viktor weisshaeupl, May 21, 2007
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  5. Hi,

    As already mentioned, the OD is sort of a 5th gear. IIRC the manual
    suggests not to apply (too much) power while engaging and slightly
    press the clutch while disengaging th OD for smooth operation.


    Roland
     
    Roland Messerschmidt, May 21, 2007
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  6. VladicRavich

    Roadie Guest

    As others said it is nothing more than another gearbox added to the
    back of the standard transmission. The Laycock de Normanville unit
    has been used in a wide variety of cars.

    I'm confused by this statement. The overdive unit is in my experience
    very reliable. And the hand cranked sunroofs in two of my earlier
    cars were quite reliable too.
     
    Roadie, May 22, 2007
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  7. Thought for the day: Older Volvos have a way of combining endearing and
    enduring into one.
     
    Pat Quadlander, May 22, 2007
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  8. VladicRavich

    sno Guest

    If you desire a "normal" fuel economy it is only used when
    towing, climbing hills and possibly passing. Keeping it on
    will lower your gas mileage since you will be in a lower gear..

    hope helps...have fun....sno

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    sno, May 22, 2007
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  9. VladicRavich

    James Sweet Guest


    Since this car is an '89 and has overdrive, it has an automatic transmission
    so the other replies you've had so far are not correct for this car and only
    apply to pre-'87 manual transmission cars.

    The overdrive button on your '89 disables the 4th gear on the transmission.
    When you engage the overdrive lockout, a yellow arrow will illuminate in
    your instrument cluster and the transmission will function as a 3 speed
    unit, never shifting into the top gear. This is useful occasionally when
    going up long hills or when towing a trailer where the transmission may
    hunt, shifting back and forth between 3rd and 4th with annoying frequency.
    99.9% of the time you'll just want to leave the overdrive lockout
    disengaged.
     
    James Sweet, May 22, 2007
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  10. VladicRavich

    Hameed Guest

    The overdrive button on your '89 disables the 4th gear on the transmission.
    I am getting confused.

    I have an 88 GLE automatic. I run with it all the time without the
    Yellow up arrow illumenated in the dash. Is that the way, it should
    be?

    I should have the arrow illuminated while climbing a mountain or going
    up a steep hill tough, right?
     
    Hameed, May 22, 2007
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  11. VladicRavich

    sno Guest

    You got it....think of it as downshifting to a lower gear in a manual
    when you hear the engine starting to lug....it does the same thing..
    and the arrow will be on at this time...

    hope helps....have fun....sno

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    sno, May 22, 2007
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  12. VladicRavich

    Roger Mills Guest

    In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

    I've no doubt that you are right - but it seems very odd to call this
    'overdrive' when it is, in fact, exactly the opposite! Or is it actually
    labelled 'overdrive lockout' or somesuch - on the basis that the 4th gear is
    considered to be an overdrive, and this button prevents it from being
    engaged?

    My previous reply related to the conventional definition of overdrive,
    usually - though not exclusively - fitted behind manual transmissions.
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    Roger Mills, May 22, 2007
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  13. Hi,

    Well, since we had also a 760GLE long time ago, I remember now the
    button.
    I think, it wasn't labelled at all... ;-)


    Roland
     
    Roland Messerschmidt, May 22, 2007
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  14. VladicRavich

    clay Guest

    Overdrive, fourth gear, fifth gear, another gear,... call it what you want.
    Whatever you call it, it's engaged by default when you start the car
    (assuming all is functioning as designed) and can be disengaged by
    pressing the button or romping on the gas.

    Presumably, this 'on by default' helps score better EPA/mileage ratings.

    Although I've never heard or read the same about Volvos, Chevy used to
    recommend disengaging their OD when putting around town as (their) OD
    slows everything down in the transmission, including the pump, and could
    cause excessive heat build up.
    ymmv.
     
    clay, May 22, 2007
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    James Sweet Guest


    It's not labeled as anything, it's a plain black button, and pushing it
    illuminates the yellow arrow symbol and disables the automatic overdrive. I
    forget what they call it in the owner's manual, but it does describe what it
    does and how to use it.

    Overdrive, by definition, is a gear in which the output shaft of the
    transmission rotates faster than the input shaft, the term has no bearing on
    whether the transmission is automatic or manual or how the mechanics of it
    function.
     
    James Sweet, May 22, 2007
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    Roger Mills Guest

    In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
    I have no problem with that.

    What I *do* have some difficulty with is the concept of a so-called
    'overdrive' button which *prevents* the overdrive from functioning!
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    clay Guest

    So, you have a problem with a button that disengages the overdrive when
    you push it... but no problem with a pedal that disengages the
    transmission when you push it?
    Ok...
     
    clay, May 22, 2007
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  18. VladicRavich

    Roger Mills Guest

    In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
    I may do if it were called a 'drive' pedal. <g>

    I guess it's a case of usage. The only overdrives I've come across in the UK
    have had a button to *engage* them - the default when not pressed being 1:1
    drive. So the concept of having the overdrive engaged by default, and
    needing a button to *disengage* it is somewhat foreign to me.
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    Roger Mills, May 22, 2007
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  19. VladicRavich

    James Sweet Guest


    "Overdrive lockout" or "overdrive defeat" is perhaps a better term. You
    could also call it 4th gear lockout, semantics aside, it's a feature common
    to virtually every automatic transmission made in the last couple decades.
    Some you push a button, some you move the gear selector from D to 3, it all
    really does the same thing, limiting the highest gear the transmission will
    shift into. I haven't seen a non-overdrive slushbox since the late 1970s.
     
    James Sweet, May 22, 2007
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    clay Guest

    What peeves me about it is it's on by default but when it fails, it
    fails in the disengaged mode. The old four banger really sings when it
    drops out of overdrive at 80 mph.

    Anyway, it's all about "fuel economy."
    The manufacturers can get a better highway rating if it's on all the time.
    I remember when the Z1 Corvette first came out with it's fancy 5 or 6 or
    7 speed manual. GM built in a system that forced you to shift from first
    to third (locked out second gear) unless you wound it past a certain RPM
    in first.
    GM got a better MPG rating and drivers got pissed.
    Funny story: When Car and Driver tested the new Vette and discovered
    this 'feature', they asked one of the GM techs that was there for the
    test how to disable it.
    Of course, they weren't allowed to reveal how to disable it but they did
    offer that 'there's a wiring harness coming out of the transmission and
    whatever they did, they should not cut the red one'... or words to that
    effect.
    It's been a lot of years.
     
    clay, May 22, 2007
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