740T bucking when cold

Discussion in 'Volvo 740' started by James Sweet, Dec 10, 2005.

  1. James Sweet

    Misterbeets Guest

    Or possibly a fuel pump problem.
     
    Misterbeets, Dec 12, 2005
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  2. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    That's certainly a fear, new pumps are $$$ and used ones are
    questionable. I have no idea how many miles are on the pumps, the car
    has 273K, no way of knowing if either fuel pump has ever been replaced.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 12, 2005
    #22
  3. James Sweet

    Misterbeets Guest

    Maximum Auto Parts sells a noname set, in-tank and external, for under
    $150. Worth trying to test for pressure and current draw if you have
    those specs. If not, IMHO it's money well spent even if the problem is
    elsewhere.
     
    Misterbeets, Dec 13, 2005
    #23
  4. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    No way I'm gonna use a noname set of fuel pumps, that part is too
    critical and I've had too many problems with junk aftermarket parts, I
    never buy them anymore unless I have no choice, the exception being
    upgrade components and consumables.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 13, 2005
    #24
  5. It also doesn't really sound like fuel supply trouble, which should be much
    worse when the throttle is opened than anywhere around idle. Still sounds
    like AMM to me. Does it happen reliably enough when cold and not happen
    reliably enough when warm that you can lay a hot water bottle on the AMM and
    connector before starting to see what that does?

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 13, 2005
    #25
  6. I just thought I would clean my idle mixture set up ,got some small grit out
    and discoloured oil ,as well cleaned the contacts on the oxy sensor as well
    ..I use "start ya bastard"which is an ether based product .Boy did my wife
    react when she first saw the label on the can ?Works on lawn mowers as well
    but not on me sadly I am just plain lazy :)
     
    John Robertson, Dec 13, 2005
    #26
  7. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    It's only happened four times so far, so not particularly often, I'm
    hoping it will either go away or start happening all the time so I can
    find the cause. I cleaned the connector on the AMM and it hasn't done it
    again yet, but I've only driven the car once since then.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 13, 2005
    #27
  8. That really makes it sound like something other than fuel pumps themselves,
    although I suppose the fuel pump relay part for the pre-pump is flaky.
    Still, that more often shows up as starting trouble then rough running.

    Here's hoping the connector cleaning does the job!

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 13, 2005
    #28
  9. My '84 240 Turbo does not have K-jet, it has CIS with the fuel
    distributor in the front right hand corner of the engine compartment.
     
    .................................................., Dec 13, 2005
    #29
  10. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    I.E. K-Jet...
     
    James Sweet, Dec 13, 2005
    #30
  11. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    I did resolder the fuel pump relay a couple years ago just for good
    measure, I'll check that again just to make sure anyway though.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 13, 2005
    #31
  12. The Volvo manuals show that K-Jetronic injectors are electrical. Mine
    are not. The pipes from the fuel distributor come directly from the fuel
    distributor to the intake manifold. The Volvo manual shows no electronic
    fuel injectors for turbos in 84.
     
    .................................................., Dec 21, 2005
    #32
  13. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest

    They're wrong then. K-Jet is entirely mechanical aside from the
    frequency valve which is part of the Lambda-Sond system present on
    "newer" cars.

    LH-Jet is the system with electrical injectors.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 21, 2005
    #33
  14. James Sweet

    NCMan Guest

    I missed the earlier replies - was there a diagnosis of the bucking problem?
    My 1994 940 Turbo wagon (US specs) has developed it for a few minutes after
    running fine when completely cold, then runs fine afterward.

    The squence is the same now: Start the car and it runs fine for the first
    few minutes. Then it bucks and revs up and down for several more minutes.
    Then settles down and drives normally for the rest of the trip.

    It seems (from the symptoms) that when the car is completely cold, the
    appropriate system is working properly for a cold engine. Likewise for the
    "warm" system when the car is fully warmed up. There is a short period of
    time, though, between the two when the car "bucks".

    I was hoping to find the, or a possible, answer without a trip to the Volvo
    shop.

    Yes, I will search the archives, but wanted to ask the question in case
    there is more current information.

    NCMan
     
    NCMan, Dec 25, 2005
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  15. James Sweet

    User Guest

    Usually turbo intermittent bucking is due to a fuel delivery problem in
    the tank, either a separated/rotted fuel feed hose from the prepump or a
    faulty prepump. Given that all other systems have been checked and found
    ok.

    Bob
     
    User, Dec 26, 2005
    #35
  16. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest

    Well I had to make a run to the store tonight and as I started coasting
    down the hill it started bucking again and then stalled. I pulled over
    and was able to get it to start again but it quickly died. Fiddled with
    the connector on the AMM and poked around under the hood a bit, started
    and it was idling but as soon as I tried to ride out the clutch the car
    started lurching and bucking, though I could rev the engine ok with the
    clutch in. I finally got it running a little better and managed to nurse
    it back up the hill into the driveway at which point it naturally
    started idling fine.

    Popped the hood and started poking around with the engine running and
    found that if I poked at the wire on the #2 injector the engine died
    instantly. Did that twice, then pulled the connector off, looked fine so
    I stuck it back on. Now no amount of poking or tugging has any effect,
    even unplugging the injector with the engine running doesn't make it run
    nearly as bad as it was on the road. My first thought was wires
    deteriorating under the outer sheath but squishing and rolling around
    the wire now has no effect. By this time it's after midnight so I can't
    be out there screwing with it much but hopefully I can track this down
    for sure. I'm thinking new wiring harness is the best next step but
    christmas pretty well took care of the budget this month. Maybe I can
    patch up the existing one until I can find a recently replaced harness
    at the wrecker.
     
    James Sweet, Dec 27, 2005
    #36
  17. James Sweet

    CMan Guest

    Good ideas. I will look into them in the morning.

    NCMan
     
    CMan, Dec 29, 2005
    #37
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