can you change the output on a bosch internaly regulated alternator ?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by richard, Jun 11, 2009.

  1. richard

    James Sweet Guest

    The suppression myths are all a bunch of BS propagated by people who
    sell snake oil. If a car company developed a way to significantly
    increase fuel economy without greatly adding to the production cost,
    they would be all over it like flies on poop and they wouldn't be
    spending billions of dollars to develop expensive and difficult to
    produce hybrids instead of cheap to build and highly profitable trucks
    and SUVs.

    There are laws of physics that dictate the maximum amount of energy that
    can be extracted from the fuel by an internal combustion piston engine,
    and current designs are approaching that limit.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 16, 2009
    #21
  2. richard

    Tony Guest


    Yes, it is 'Kinetic Energy RECOVERY systems'. When a car uses its
    brakes the kinetic energy is normally converted to heat. In F1 now when
    they brake they convert some kinetic energy into electricity instead of
    heat (in the brakes) and store it in a battery. Or in one team they
    convert it into momentum of a spinning flywheel. An electric motor than
    assist the engine during the 6s, yes they are hybrids!

    There is no magic, its simple physics. You can do this in an internal
    combustion car by disconnecting the battery for long periods and
    charging during braking. As a result you brake less hard and convert
    some energy to stored electricity, but I suspect the result wil be less
    than impressive. I did see one performance device that disconnected the
    battery during acceleration, not huge benefits but perfectly valid.
    Increasing the alternator output may help with this, but I doubt a
    simple regulator change would be enough and it requires another device
    to control when to charge (ie during braking or if voltage too low).
     
    Tony, Jun 16, 2009
    #22
  3. richard

    Tony Guest


    I watched that suppression myth about GM killing the EV1, seemed very
    believable to me, but yes you can never know who has a VI. I imagined
    that fuel economy was the last thing they want to promote, but what goes
    around comes around. My research over the last year or so has shown
    that series hybrids can easily achieve 100mpg on fuel power alone. Once
    cars like this are out and the mpg well known, who would buy a new I.C.
    only car? All that engine development would be out the window as its
    much easier to charge a battery efficiently at a fixed rev, using an
    engine matched to average load (not peak), rather than drive a hugely
    varying load (the wheels).

    With current IC engines, they maybe getting more efficient but the
    energy they create is still wasted alot. Heat goes out as mostly waste
    , energy is used to drive various engine ancilaries (water pump, turbo,
    steering) etc, and of course the old favourite ..tickover ,just keeping
    it going.
     
    Tony, Jun 16, 2009
    #23
  4. richard

    Tony Guest

    Thanks thats a helpful explanation. Still find it hard to understand
    how if the problem is really deficient wiring, that bringing the voltage
    up will reduce dimming when varying loads are applied, although I guess
    it increases the low level. But I do see how that can help with
    charging a battery in a caravan.

    Really what you want is to isolate the battery/alternator/starter system
    and regulate outside of it, preferably using a high efficiency switch
    mode regulator. Then you might have some sort of useful KERS system
    with bigger voltages / faster chargng. Although everything inside the
    battery system would need redesigned for the higher voltages (Starter
    solenoid, alternator, more batteries).
     
    Tony, Jun 16, 2009
    #24
  5. richard

    James Sweet Guest


    In all fairness, a turbo is driven largely by otherwise wasted heat
    energy in the form of exhaust pressure. There is some penalty due to the
    increased exhaust restriction, but most of the energy it uses would
    otherwise exit the tailpipe wasted. I don't know how much energy the
    other accessories consume, but the alternator is one of the heaviest
    loads, second only to perhaps the aircon compressor. Power steering is
    really only significant at low speeds. Most of the friction losses are
    within the engine itself, then the transmission and the rest of the
    drivetrain.
     
    James Sweet, Jun 19, 2009
    #25
  6. Its a bit like some religious nutters they will believe anything except the
    truth I eat them with alive .
     
    Jon Robertson, Jun 28, 2009
    #26
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