[QUOTE="~^ beancounter ~^"] yea, true for most gas...i would guess...... but, my s80 problem went away once i started burning high octane...no pinging, no more busted electrical spark plug parts.....sleevs...or whatever they are called.... cheers ps: no regular for my "new" 2004 v70r...only the high octane.... [/QUOTE] My dad put cheap gas in his 240 Turbo a few times and it would ping like crazy. I think the boost was at around 12 psi and of course there's no knock sensor on those cars. The power limit with virtually any turbo motor is determined by the onset of detonation, modern engine management will retard the ignition timing and/or back off the boost pressure to prevent it, but why spend the money on the fancy hardware then not let it work to its full potential?