REPORT: Chinese government approves of Chery's bid to purchase Volvo

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What I'm disgusted about is that the Volvo car brand that I've grown
to admire
and appreciate may become something less in the hands of China. It's
obvious
that I'm not very objective about this but I have family who survived
the cultural
revolution and were able to migrate to America and shake off the yoke
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And one could make a comparable argument that cars from Germany,
England, France and America are somehow tainted because of their
history of repression, war mongering, etc.
 
And one could make a comparable argument that cars from Germany,
England, France and America are somehow tainted because of their
history of repression, war mongering, etc.
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Are you implying that there's a moral equivalency with countries such
as
China and Cuba as compared to the west?

Your argument may fall apart when you consider this question. What
country would you want live and raise your children in today?
 
Whether you or I feel nostalgic about a given model really doesn't
mean much in the decision to continue a given model or kill and
replace with something new.  A more important factor is really whether
one model will sell a sufficient number of cars or not.  If current
and prospective Volvo buyers would line up in sufficient numbers to
buy a PV544, 140 or 240 then Volvo could make a lot more money by not
changing models.  But consumer tastes and wants change over time and
if all you have to offer is vehicular nostalgia it won't sell many
cars.

I  happpen to think my latest Volvo V70 is an improvement over the
early S80, which was an improvement over the 960 which was an
improvement over the 740 which was an improvement over the 240 that
was once in the stable.  The improvement in features, drivability and
safety over that 25 year span has been dramatic.  Each change was
incrementally better in my estimation.
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I think that's debatable. Look at the serviceability issues between a
RWD vehicle i.e. S90 as compared to a V70. The timing belt alone takes
a leisurely 2 hours to replace on a S90 compared to about 4 on a V70.
At $100 per hour, that is significant. With newer vehicles, the higher
level of electronic and mechanical integration may produce a lower
parts count to the manufacturer but it's proving very expensive to the
consumer if that part needs to be replaced.
 
Are you implying that there's a moral equivalency with countries such
as
China and Cuba as compared to the west?

Your argument may fall apart when you consider this question. What
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I have no idea what a moral equivalency is. However, China,
Australia, Germany, USA, France, England all have a spotty history
when it comes to oppression. Indeed if you peel back the layers it
would be difficult to find a country with no embarrassing components
of their civil rights record. However, all of those countries have
and continue to move forward when it comes to equalizing civil
liberties for all. That is what is really important.

Surely you have not forgotten what american citizens have done to
groups such as indians, blacks, eskimos, irish, catholics, jews,
chinese, japanese, italians, etc., at some point over the centuries?
 
I think that's debatable. Look at the serviceability issues between a
RWD vehicle i.e. S90 as compared to a V70. The timing belt alone takes
a leisurely 2 hours to replace on a S90 compared to about 4 on a V70.
At $100 per hour, that is significant. With newer vehicles, the higher
level of electronic and mechanical integration may produce a lower
parts count to the manufacturer but it's proving very expensive to the
consumer if that part needs to be replaced.- Hide quoted text -

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Service schmervice...that's why I have a good mechanic. The Volvo
cars of today are FAR better than those of 25 years ago in every
respect.
 
I have no idea what a moral equivalency is.  However, China,
Australia, Germany, USA, France, England all have a spotty history
when it comes to oppression.  Indeed if you peel back the layers it
would be difficult to find a country with no embarrassing components
of their civil rights record.  However, all of those countries have
and continue to move forward when it comes to equalizing civil
liberties for all.  That is what is really important.

Surely you have not forgotten what american citizens have done to
groups such as indians, blacks, eskimos, irish, catholics, jews,
chinese, japanese, italians, etc., at some point over the centuries?
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No, I haven't forgotten. It seemed like yesterday that my family
couldn't
buy a home in a lily white neighborhood and ended up living near
Watts. It seemed like yesterday when a mob of black kids were chasing
me through the streets of south central because Martin Luther King
was assassinated and I was unfortunately the closest thing to a
Caucasian. So what is your point?

My point is this. I would much rather buy a car from a country that
has evolved culturally and socially than from a country that may
just use this nameplate just to get one over you.

Have a nice day!
 
Service schmervice...that's why I have a good mechanic.  The Volvo
cars of today are FAR better than those of 25 years ago in every
respect.
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Good, we need more consumers like you. I'm quite happy buying
used Volvos and repairing them myself if I'm able. If the country
were made of cynical cheapskates like me, the economy would
be in trouble.
 
No, I haven't forgotten. It seemed like yesterday that my family
couldn't
buy a home in a lily white neighborhood and ended up living near
Watts. It seemed like yesterday when a mob of black kids were chasing
me through the streets of south central because Martin Luther King
was assassinated and I was unfortunately the closest thing to a
Caucasian. So what is your point?

My point is this. I would much rather buy a car from a country that
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I'm missing your point completely, unless you are waiting for us to
strike up the violins. You are now attempting to redirect the
discussion away the sale of Volvo to yet another owner to one focused
on your heart rending story of misfortune. C'mon...try discussing the
issue as an adult would.
 
Good, we need more consumers like you. I'm quite happy buying
used Volvos and repairing them myself if I'm able. If the country
were made of cynical cheapskates like me, the economy would
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My goal is to drive my cars for 300,000 miles, which is easily
attainable with regluar maintenance. Regarding your comment about the
economy being in trouble...it already is. Hint - read the newspaper.
 
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