Volvo ownership and maintenance

[daniel]

Well put John thanks for defending what this jerk wrote here
Good for you.

Dan H. not the yahoot character who started this thread.

 

[daniel]

Rob your input here in this NG is treasured and necessary to keep it so
alive as it is. This jerk-off with ridiculous comments who may even work
at a local rip-off garage needs to camp out in the beloved GM site(s) I
cruise over there and believe you me wouldn't want to be stuck with a
blasted Cavalier, then again if not for these poorly made and poor
excuse of an automobile many garages would have to close up shop, so
hail those fools for buying the soo-to-be-wrecks they call Cavalier.

Thanks

Dan H. not related or known by the Dan who started this thread.

 

[Stephen M. Henning]

If this group was moderated and I was the moderator and you posted
like you did I would send you a warning and you would be asked to either
re-word and offer an apology or face being kicked off.
So after all is said and done from the rest of the threads of haven't
even read yet I think you need to make another follow up post or camp in
another bleeding NG who thrive on such style of writing.

What pushed your button? I am posting it again but didn't change
anything. Because I have a good dealer doesn't mean you can't work on
your own car. Be my guest. I make some repairs myself also.

By the way, you needn't post your articles multiple times. Maybe your
moderator ego should send yourself a warning.

 

[dan]

What pushed your button? I am posting it again but didn't change
anything. Because I have a good dealer doesn't mean you can't work on
your own car. Be my guest. I make some repairs myself also.

By the way, you needn't post your articles multiple times. Maybe your
moderator ego should send yourself a warning.

1) I have been privy to the financial side of running a dealership. A
Toyota dealer, it was apparent the Service revenue paid for all
associated employees and most administrative staff required for the
sales office and had they not sold any cars and only serviced them they
boasted that if they could do with out all salaried sales staff profits
would make it a much more succesful business and excellent comfortable
living for the dealer principal, naturally Toyota Canada will not allow
you to open up shop with out selling new cars. I find it hard to believe
that this supposed dealer gives all its customers the honest and level
headed quotations on line as you say with perks and so on, but if so
your lucky, perhaps they are getting more than what you either don't
know or forgot to tell here in this news group. One example of that is
there are many parts costs that have increased since Ford took the helm
or majority shareholder status where they must have made the decision to
stop giving long time Volvo owners with excessive or accumulated miles
on the OD readout any perks and/or parts discounts (at least in Ontario
Canada)What a shame that this had happened but despite that hardly a
sole here is selling their Volvo because I look everyday for one and
rarely find an ad. So there you have it I guess we must be real madd
hatters for owning and self repairing/maintaining our beloved Volvos.

2) I thought mistakenly that your thread was perpetrated by the original
poster who seems to be having some fun cutting up other NG advisors and
the desire to be advised. I apologize to you not the originator of the
thread and then while I'm here another person wrote that the DYI's screw
up 2-3 more things due to ineptedness (if that's a real word but you all
know what it means)and that's BS, the information shared here is precise
and links to Brickboard and the like have diagrams and useful how to's
for the DYI's,I challenge anyone who thinks we are all wasting our time
in this valuable NG to camp out on pontiac NG or what ever GM campground
and read the desparate GM owners expose the bad raps they get (daily) or
ask stuff that even if they got a hint of what was possibly wrong with
their cars would not have level of competence, tools, and proper
guidance from advisors there. Yet we should buy a Cavalier because there
are so many wrecks available...NOT! parts wear so fast in a GM that I
wouldn't spend a dime on eletrical, fuel, or immission parts and if
couldn't get new would add my GM junker to the growing pile of scrap
heaps out there and replace it with a 240 any day of the week.

 

[Larry Horse]

| Stephen M. Henning wrote:
| > I wrote:
| >
| >>>My dealer posts all his charges in advance. No surprises. He usually
| >>>adds extra perks that are free when I go in. He knows that if he keeps
| >>>me happy I will buy several more Volvos from him. The maintenance in
| >>>minimal even though I drive my cars 180,000 miles. Routine maintenance
| >>>costs about 1% TO 1.5% of purchase price annually. That is less than I
| >>>loose to inflation and much less than I loose to depreciation.
| >
| >
| > dan <[email protected]> replied:
| >
| >>If this group was moderated and I was the moderator and you posted
| >>like you did I would send you a warning and you would be asked to either
| >>re-word and offer an apology or face being kicked off.
| >>So after all is said and done from the rest of the threads of haven't
| >>even read yet I think you need to make another follow up post or camp in
| >>another bleeding NG who thrive on such style of writing.
| >
| >
| > What pushed your button? I am posting it again but didn't change
| > anything. Because I have a good dealer doesn't mean you can't work on
| > your own car. Be my guest. I make some repairs myself also.
| >
| > By the way, you needn't post your articles multiple times. Maybe your
| > moderator ego should send yourself a warning.
| >
| 1) I have been privy to the financial side of running a dealership. A
| Toyota dealer, it was apparent the Service revenue paid for all
| associated employees and most administrative staff required for the
| sales office and had they not sold any cars and only serviced them they
| boasted that if they could do with out all salaried sales staff profits
| would make it a much more succesful business and excellent comfortable
| living for the dealer principal, naturally Toyota Canada will not allow
| you to open up shop with out selling new cars. I find it hard to believe
| that this supposed dealer gives all its customers the honest and level
| headed quotations on line as you say with perks and so on, but if so
| your lucky, perhaps they are getting more than what you either don't
| know or forgot to tell here in this news group. One example of that is
| there are many parts costs that have increased since Ford took the helm
| or majority shareholder status where they must have made the decision to
| stop giving long time Volvo owners with excessive or accumulated miles
| on the OD readout any perks and/or parts discounts (at least in Ontario
| Canada)What a shame that this had happened but despite that hardly a
| sole here is selling their Volvo because I look everyday for one and
| rarely find an ad. So there you have it I guess we must be real madd
| hatters for owning and self repairing/maintaining our beloved Volvos.
|
| 2) I thought mistakenly that your thread was perpetrated by the original
| poster who seems to be having some fun cutting up other NG advisors and
| the desire to be advised. I apologize to you not the originator of the
| thread and then while I'm here another person wrote that the DYI's screw
| up 2-3 more things due to ineptedness (if that's a real word but you all
| know what it means)and that's BS, the information shared here is precise
| and links to Brickboard and the like have diagrams and useful how to's
| for the DYI's,I challenge anyone who thinks we are all wasting our time
| in this valuable NG to camp out on pontiac NG or what ever GM campground
| and read the desparate GM owners expose the bad raps they get (daily) or
| ask stuff that even if they got a hint of what was possibly wrong with
| their cars would not have level of competence, tools, and proper
| guidance from advisors there. Yet we should buy a Cavalier because there
| are so many wrecks available...NOT! parts wear so fast in a GM that I
| wouldn't spend a dime on eletrical, fuel, or immission parts and if
| couldn't get new would add my GM junker to the growing pile of scrap
| heaps out there and replace it with a 240 any day of the week.

Could you rewrite this in English, please?

 

[Rob Guenther]

What attracts people to German cars - it used to be superior engineering...
Now it's more the prestige of the marque.... German quality has been in
decline for a while - now they are trying to outgun everyone in technology,
but new tech always breaks down.

 

[dan]

| Stephen M. Henning wrote:
| > I wrote:
| >
| >>>My dealer posts all his charges in advance. No surprises. He usually
| >>>adds extra perks that are free when I go in. He knows that if he keeps
| >>>me happy I will buy several more Volvos from him. The maintenance in
| >>>minimal even though I drive my cars 180,000 miles. Routine maintenance
| >>>costs about 1% TO 1.5% of purchase price annually. That is less than I
| >>>loose to inflation and much less than I loose to depreciation.
| >
| >
| > dan <[email protected]> replied:
| >
| >>If this group was moderated and I was the moderator and you posted
| >>like you did I would send you a warning and you would be asked to either
| >>re-word and offer an apology or face being kicked off.
| >>So after all is said and done from the rest of the threads of haven't
| >>even read yet I think you need to make another follow up post or camp in
| >>another bleeding NG who thrive on such style of writing.
| >
| >
| > What pushed your button? I am posting it again but didn't change
| > anything. Because I have a good dealer doesn't mean you can't work on
| > your own car. Be my guest. I make some repairs myself also.
| >
| > By the way, you needn't post your articles multiple times. Maybe your
| > moderator ego should send yourself a warning.
| >
| 1) I have been privy to the financial side of running a dealership. A
| Toyota dealer, it was apparent the Service revenue paid for all
| associated employees and most administrative staff required for the
| sales office and had they not sold any cars and only serviced them they
| boasted that if they could do with out all salaried sales staff profits
| would make it a much more succesful business and excellent comfortable
| living for the dealer principal, naturally Toyota Canada will not allow
| you to open up shop with out selling new cars. I find it hard to believe
| that this supposed dealer gives all its customers the honest and level
| headed quotations on line as you say with perks and so on, but if so
| your lucky, perhaps they are getting more than what you either don't
| know or forgot to tell here in this news group. One example of that is
| there are many parts costs that have increased since Ford took the helm
| or majority shareholder status where they must have made the decision to
| stop giving long time Volvo owners with excessive or accumulated miles
| on the OD readout any perks and/or parts discounts (at least in Ontario
| Canada)What a shame that this had happened but despite that hardly a
| sole here is selling their Volvo because I look everyday for one and
| rarely find an ad. So there you have it I guess we must be real madd
| hatters for owning and self repairing/maintaining our beloved Volvos.
|
| 2) I thought mistakenly that your thread was perpetrated by the original
| poster who seems to be having some fun cutting up other NG advisors and
| the desire to be advised. I apologize to you not the originator of the
| thread and then while I'm here another person wrote that the DYI's screw
| up 2-3 more things due to ineptedness (if that's a real word but you all
| know what it means)and that's BS, the information shared here is precise
| and links to Brickboard and the like have diagrams and useful how to's
| for the DYI's,I challenge anyone who thinks we are all wasting our time
| in this valuable NG to camp out on pontiac NG or what ever GM campground
| and read the desparate GM owners expose the bad raps they get (daily) or
| ask stuff that even if they got a hint of what was possibly wrong with
| their cars would not have level of competence, tools, and proper
| guidance from advisors there. Yet we should buy a Cavalier because there
| are so many wrecks available...NOT! parts wear so fast in a GM that I
| wouldn't spend a dime on eletrical, fuel, or immission parts and if
| couldn't get new would add my GM junker to the growing pile of scrap
| heaps out there and replace it with a 240 any day of the week.

Could you rewrite this in English, please?

Which word isn't written in English Mr. L. Hoser? Hey, if that's the
extent of your input with sarcastic comments there are plenty of other
enjoyable Ng's you and original poster should camp together in.

 

[James Sweet]

This guy doesn't understand the fun of tinkering with our boys toys,
enthusiastic is a mild way of putting it as for a Chevy or Ford ,what sad
taste? .Yes I would take my Chevy or Ford to the dealer too they are just
not fun .Proud to say I,ve never owned a GM car or Japanese ,or German car
.In fact what attracts people to German cars bewilders me .Done millions of
Miles driving 45 years COMMERCIALLY so I know my cars that's why I drive a
Volvo privately .

I drove a Ford for few years, to it's credit, it always ran, but the
downside is it never ran particularly well. Interior was starting to fall
apart, transmission was clunky, gas guage had a dead spot, ammeter was
broken, temperature guage always read low, got me around fine and I got my
money's worth out of it but the Volvo (4 years older) that I got to replace
it has been a dream in comparison.

I do like German cars as well, they're nice and solid, and have some class.
Problem is they just don't do it for me, I like my quirky Swedes.

 

[Hamish Alker-Jones]

| | > I have been reading this group for about a week and I can't help but
| wonder:
| > Why do I get the impression that most of the people in this group really
| can't
| > afford to drive a Volvo and are always looking for the cheapest, most
| Mickey
| > Mouse way to make repairs? If you can't maintain an old or new Volvo
| > properly, don't buy one! Find a beater Chevy Cavalier instead. It will
| look
| > more at home next to your double-wide, you might be able to afford
| repairs,
| > and, in the likely event that you can't afford repairs, there are plenty
| of
| > parts in the junk yard--or even in front of your neighbor's house,
| > conveniently perched on cinder blocks.
| >
| > D. FraWillem
| >
| >
|
| Au contraire, my cynical chum. I can afford to run my Volvo - I wouldn't
| have bought one or any other car for that matter if I couldn't. But ask
| yourself this - given the choice of doing a job yourself for minimum cost,
| or letting a dealer do it and robbing you blind, what would you do?
|
| I suspect, that since you most likely have more money than sense, you would
| take the latter path...
|
|

You mean that you do the jobs such as those that people ask for help doing
here? The kind that, once the do-it-yourselfer has done it, have engendered
2-3 new problems because Mr. Handyman has botched the job thanks to ineptitude
and/or trying to do it on the cheap? I'll stick with my dealer, who has given
me excellent, reasonably priced, reliable, service and outstanding prices on
the several new Volvos I have purchased from him.

D. FraWillem

Hyuk, hyuk,

I bets u iz one of dem city boyz that don¹t knows how to twirl no spanner,
eh?

Meh Volvo has a betterer wireless dan meh house, so I needs to make sure it
does run real good.

I loves it when you trolls come out from undah da bridge and start
suggesting dat us does like to do our own fing are somewhat backwards.

Ya knows what, I'll swap ya mah sista for yer BIC lighter.

Later, as I has to go and pretend to send fings to da internet

Hammo

 

[Steve n Holly]

What attracts people to German cars - it used to be superior engineering...
Now it's more the prestige of the marque.... German quality has been in
decline for a while - now they are trying to outgun everyone in technology,
but new tech always breaks down.

First of all, I consider Volvo a semi German car, the same goodness of
engineering that was what gave MB or BMW their rep in the 70's is evident in
Volvos of the same period.

MB and BMW and Audi, and even VW have gone overboard in techno garbage, I
agree. There is still a lovely engineering goodness to a 5 series or an E
class if you mentally strip all the garbage out. There is no car that is as
nice inside as the A6, Audi does ok on the engineering, but they have a
Bauhaus version of Italian style, true style in their cars. Volvo has
avoided that excess, to a great extent anyway.

The Honda Accord comes, in some iterations, with navi, abs, anti skid,
cruise, et al, yet the Honda maintains a very simple interface. DO NOT
sneer, the Accord is 90-95% of a BMW or a MB, and it will break down much
less then either. The Acura TL is a higher end vehicle by Honda, it shows
more gadgets, but still the user interface is so much simpler then BMW and
MB, yet, somehow, at least to me despite the obvious wonderful engineering
that goes into the TL a E class just seems to exude a certain...something.

The Volvo, be it a 100 or 200 series from the 60's or 70's to the modern 2
series and the 700, 800, and 900, as well as the current 40-60-80 (I am not
into SUV's but I am sure the MallMaster XC90 is nice too, I just don't even
look at em) all have that feeling that engineers did things to them for good
reasons, not just to move the iron...

That's why we like Volvos, and why working on them is often a pleasure, so
much more so then that great GM feeling of gee this is just like the 1963
chev whatever my dad taught me to work on cars on....

 

[Stephen M. Henning]

First of all, I consider Volvo a semi German car

There is not such thing a German car or semi German car, there are many
German cars ranging from the very basic VW/Audi which is the ultimate
expression of simplicity to the BMW which thrives on complexity, even
when completely unnecessary and to the Mercedes which thrives on status
symbols. The Volvo and Saab tend to only use technical complexity when
there is a big payoff. Otherwise they stick to the basics. They are
indeed Swedish even though not many Volvos are not made in Sweden any
more.

 

[Jordan B.]

Dan,
It's DIY not DYI. Sheesh.... Some people prefer to do things for
themselves regardless of whether they can afford to pay for it or not. It's
all part of the learning process that is life. One of my high school
teachers once told me that if you lose the desire to learn you lose the
desire to live. Pretty profound for a Sunday morning but so far it has held
true.


Jordan 1999 S70 Loaded!

 

[dan]

Dan,
It's DIY not DYI. Sheesh.... Some people prefer to do things for
themselves regardless of whether they can afford to pay for it or not. It's
all part of the learning process that is life. One of my high school
teachers once told me that if you lose the desire to learn you lose the
desire to live. Pretty profound for a Sunday morning but so far it has held
true.


Jordan 1999 S70 Loaded!

Jordon, I guess you caught me with typo, wow you're good! But get this
how about DYI = do yourself idiot LOL, not meant to assassinate the many
threads just the first goon who ranted against Volvo do it yourselfers,
he forgot to put brain in to a proper forward moving gear, before
allowing mouth to get ahead of itself, or syncronizing brain with typing
fingers for email, NG posters, and interne(a)t gurus Eh!