What's the best model Volvo?

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| On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:17:51 +0100,
| taff ([email protected]) wrote:
| > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:31:39 GMT, "Bev A. Kupf" <[email protected]>
| > wrote:
| >
| >>On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:33:08 +0100,
| >> taff ([email protected]) wrote:
| >>> The difference in looks between a V70 and a large ford is just the
| >>> grill.
| >>
| >>The V70 was designed when Volvo wasn't owned by Ford.
| >
| >
| > OOOooops (embarrassed look )
|
| Why? That doesn't mean it looks like a Volvo. To me the last year
| the V70 looked 850-ish was 2000. The front-end was changed again
| for 2001 (but this was still a Volvo design). I think the first
| cars that Ford had a major input are the new V50 and the 2005 S40.
|
| I was one of those on this group who really knocked both these cars
| for sharing a platform with the new Mazda 3 and the new Focus.
| However, after having finally seen and driven the new V50 - it is
| definitely not a Mazda 3. I wish I could afford one when they
| become available here. I wasn't a big fan of the center console
| so much, but it handles beautifully and looks gorgeous.

Good for you! Nothing like an open mind to clear the air.....:)

PC
 
Subject: Re: What's the best model Volvo?
From: "Proconsul" [email protected]
Date: 6/11/2004 5:24 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <riqyc.28539$1c4.27355@fed1read06>


| >Subject: Re: What's the best model Volvo?
| >From: "Proconsul" [email protected]
||
| In your opinion. I will continue to buy/drive 240s until I'm either too
feeble
| to drive or there are no more viable 240s to be found. As for Folvo, if I
| wanted to drive a Ford, well, I wouldn't be here, now, would I?

There are none so blind as those who will not see....

By all means, you are entitled to YOUR opinion and to drive 240s as you
wish. I owned six 240s - all were good cars, but the newer ones are
infinitely better by any standard you can invoke, except for the ability to
work on them yourself because they were much more simply made than today's
cars are.

You don't have to love Ford, but childish insults unsupported by anything
remotely resembling facts doesn't help make your case....
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How generous of you. I'm entitled to my opinion but, since it differs from
yours, it's "childish."
 
|
| The reason that I drive a Volvo, and have done for some years now, is
| that it is a car unlike any other. A Volvo 240, 740, 940 etc can be
| recognised from a great distance.
| Since Ford took them on they look the same as any other car.
| The difference in looks between a V70 and a large ford is just the
| grill.

Rubbish - Volvos look like Volvos today, as they always have.....

| The older body style Volvo is a true classic.

Really? How does it qualify as a "true classic"? They were, and are, great
cars - better than most others available, which is why I've owned a number
of them and drive one today, but this year's models look just as much like a
Volvo as any other.

PC
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Looking like a Brick!
Both my Volvos look 'brickish'

The newer Volvos look like regular autos,


Know what I mean?

Still looking for a 960 sedan.

Bill @ Home in Wisconsin, USA
Maroon 1989 760 Turbo wagon! w/140k miles ;-}
Black! 1989 780 Turbo Coupe w/146k miles 8-}
 
taff said:
The reason that I drive a Volvo, and have done for some years now, is
that it is a car unlike any other. A Volvo 240, 740, 940 etc can be
recognised from a great distance.
Since Ford took them on they look the same as any other car.
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Nonsense. The s80, s60, xc90, v70 were all VOLVO designs, Ford had
NOTHING to do with them. And the new s40 is in style with them.



The difference in looks between a V70 and a large ford is just the
grill.
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Only if you want to see a relationship. None exists except in what you
are projecting on to the car.
The older body style Volvo is a true classic.
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Which one the 122, 140/240? They took a turn with the 760 and the 900
series. The s80, I'd argue, has more Volvo style than the 760, which, by
the way, looked a lot like GM cars of the early 1980s.

Ben
 
AJ said:
Looking like a Brick!
Both my Volvos look 'brickish'

The newer Volvos look like regular autos,
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Not to me. They are very distinctive. The shoulders, the rear of the
car, the muscular look, all are quite distinctive.

Volvos don't have to look like bricks. 122s were round cars.

Ben
 
Not to me. They are very distinctive. The shoulders, the rear of the
car, the muscular look, all are quite distinctive.

Volvos don't have to look like bricks. 122s were round cars.
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Evidently AJ hasn't seen or driven a P1800 either. Shares quite a bit
with the C70 in style - although the C70 is due for a re-style soon.
 
How generous of you. I'm entitled to my opinion but, since it differs from
yours, it's "childish."
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He wasn't referring to your opinion, but to your characterization
of the company as "Folvo". You're absolutely right though, you
should keep driving whatever car you feel most comfortable driving.

Proconsul is correct in stating that '95-'97 Volvo 850s are safer,
handle better, have more power, yet are more fuel efficient than
Volvo 240s.
 
Proconsul said:
|
| > The persistent canard in this NG that somehow Volvo will be
| > "tainted" by being owned by Ford flies in the face of
| > reality. Every company that Ford has taken over has
| > significantly IMPROVED and BENEFITTED from the
| > association. Aston-Martin is better than ever. Jaguar improved
| > mightily and no longer sells "hangar queens". Cosworth still
| > builds the finest race engines in the world - along with Honda,
| > to be sure. The list goes on....
| >
| > I, for one, see nothing but good things for Volvo now that a
| > sensible corporation, rather than a welfare state famous for
| > it's drunkeness, is "in charge".
|
| I'm glad to see that jingiosm hasn't affected your outlook on
| life.

What does jingoism have to do with simple facts? Do you understand
what the word means?
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Perhaps you should check the dictionary under "irony."
 
|
| > | > |
| > | > The persistent canard in this NG that somehow Volvo will be
| > | > "tainted" by being owned by Ford flies in the face of
| > | > reality. Every company that Ford has taken over has
| > | > significantly IMPROVED and BENEFITTED from the
| > | > association. Aston-Martin is better than ever. Jaguar improved
| > | > mightily and no longer sells "hangar queens". Cosworth still
| > | > builds the finest race engines in the world - along with Honda,
| > | > to be sure. The list goes on....
| > | >
| > | > I, for one, see nothing but good things for Volvo now that a
| > | > sensible corporation, rather than a welfare state famous for
| > | > it's drunkeness, is "in charge".
| > |
| > | I'm glad to see that jingiosm hasn't affected your outlook on
| > | life.
| >
| > What does jingoism have to do with simple facts? Do you understand
| > what the word means?
|
| Perhaps you should check the dictionary under "irony."

I know what "irony" means...:) Was there a point to your comment?...:)

PC
 
|
| >|
| >| The reason that I drive a Volvo, and have done for some years now, is
| >| that it is a car unlike any other. A Volvo 240, 740, 940 etc can be
| >| recognised from a great distance.
| >| Since Ford took them on they look the same as any other car.
| >| The difference in looks between a V70 and a large ford is just the
| >| grill.
| >
| >Rubbish - Volvos look like Volvos today, as they always have.....
| >
| >| The older body style Volvo is a true classic.
| >
| >Really? How does it qualify as a "true classic"? They were, and are,
great
| >cars - better than most others available, which is why I've owned a
number
| >of them and drive one today, but this year's models look just as much
like a
| >Volvo as any other.
| >
| >PC
| Looking like a Brick!
| Both my Volvos look 'brickish'
|
| The newer Volvos look like regular autos,
|
|
| Know what I mean?

No - what is a "regular" auto?

Volvos are unmistakably Volvos.....

| Still looking for a 960 sedan.

That's your privilege - good luck in your search. I'm looking at a new XC90
or XC70......best Volvos yet designed, built and sold.....:)

PC

|
| Bill @ Home in Wisconsin, USA
| Maroon 1989 760 Turbo wagon! w/140k miles ;-}
| Black! 1989 780 Turbo Coupe w/146k miles 8-}
|
|
 
| AJ wrote:
|
| >>|
| >>| The reason that I drive a Volvo, and have done for some years now, is
| >>| that it is a car unlike any other. A Volvo 240, 740, 940 etc can be
| >>| recognised from a great distance.
| >>| Since Ford took them on they look the same as any other car.
| >>| The difference in looks between a V70 and a large ford is just the
| >>| grill.
| >>
| >>Rubbish - Volvos look like Volvos today, as they always have.....
| >>
| >>| The older body style Volvo is a true classic.
| >>
| >>Really? How does it qualify as a "true classic"? They were, and are,
great
| >>cars - better than most others available, which is why I've owned a
number
| >>of them and drive one today, but this year's models look just as much
like a
| >>Volvo as any other.
| >>
| >>PC
| >
| > Looking like a Brick!
| > Both my Volvos look 'brickish'
| >
| > The newer Volvos look like regular autos,
| >
|
| Not to me. They are very distinctive. The shoulders, the rear of the
| car, the muscular look, all are quite distinctive.
|
| Volvos don't have to look like bricks. 122s were round cars.

Yup - dead bang right....!

Remember the old P544s? Looked like cut down '46 Fords......:)

PC


|
| Ben
|
| >
| > Know what I mean?
| >
| > Still looking for a 960 sedan.
| >
| > Bill @ Home in Wisconsin, USA
| > Maroon 1989 760 Turbo wagon! w/140k miles ;-}
| > Black! 1989 780 Turbo Coupe w/146k miles 8-}
| >
| >
 
| >Subject: Re: What's the best model Volvo?
| >From: "Proconsul" [email protected]
| >Date: 6/11/2004 5:24 PM Central Daylight Time
| >Message-id: <riqyc.28539$1c4.27355@fed1read06>
| >
| >
| >| >| >Subject: Re: What's the best model Volvo?
| >| >From: "Proconsul" [email protected]
| >||
| >| In your opinion. I will continue to buy/drive 240s until I'm either
too
| >feeble
| >| to drive or there are no more viable 240s to be found. As for Folvo,
if I
| >| wanted to drive a Ford, well, I wouldn't be here, now, would I?
| >
| >There are none so blind as those who will not see....
| >
| >By all means, you are entitled to YOUR opinion and to drive 240s as you
| >wish. I owned six 240s - all were good cars, but the newer ones are
| >infinitely better by any standard you can invoke, except for the ability
to
| >work on them yourself because they were much more simply made than
today's
| >cars are.
| >
| >You don't have to love Ford, but childish insults unsupported by anything
| >remotely resembling facts doesn't help make your case....
|
| How generous of you. I'm entitled to my opinion but, since it differs
from
| yours, it's "childish."

No, it's "childish" because it's "childish" - disagreement can be quite
adult and quite interesting......:) Read your own comment in re Folvos,
that's "childish".......:)

PC



|
 
| On 11 Jun 2004 23:26:53 GMT,
| PButler111 ([email protected]) wrote:
| > How generous of you. I'm entitled to my opinion but, since it differs
from
| > yours, it's "childish."
|
| He wasn't referring to your opinion, but to your characterization
| of the company as "Folvo". You're absolutely right though, you
| should keep driving whatever car you feel most comfortable driving.
|
| Proconsul is correct in stating that '95-'97 Volvo 850s are safer,
| handle better, have more power, yet are more fuel efficient than
| Volvo 240s.

Yup - you got it! I never got more than 24 mpg with any 240. My 850
routinely averages 28+ on the road and often tops 30 mpg. That's driving
aggresively and averaging 75-80 mph.....

850s have better handling, better interior appointments, are far more
comfortable and the driving position is imrproved over older models. They
were good, but the new ones are better.....

PC
 
Nonsense. The s80, s60, xc90, v70 were all VOLVO designs, Ford had
NOTHING to do with them. And the new s40 is in style with them.





Only if you want to see a relationship. None exists except in what you
are projecting on to the car.


Which one the 122, 140/240? They took a turn with the 760 and the 900
series. The s80, I'd argue, has more Volvo style than the 760, which, by
the way, looked a lot like GM cars of the early 1980s.

Ben
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The older cars, 122 etc, I think of as collectors cars, that is they
sit in a garage until taken out to car shows etc. Lovely to own and
look at, but not a working vehicle. The 2, 7 and 9 series on the other
hand are still practical working vehicles, huge loading space ( estate
version ) and , the main point for me, rear wheel drive. My 940, full
leather, is like driving a big comfortable armchair.

As far as looks go, in the UK anyway, and in my mind, there are
Volvo's, VW beetles and all the other cars.

Taff...........



www.sounds-pa.com | www.thecomputerworkshop.com
 
taff wrote:
My 940, full
leather, is like driving a big comfortable armchair.
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And the s80 is roomier and more comfortable. Also has a much improved
ride quality over the 940. What I like about the 940 is the tight
turning circle and very good visibility.

As far as looks go, in the UK anyway, and in my mind, there are
Volvo's, VW beetles and all the other cars.
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In the UK?? What about Citroens or Renault Megrane or various Alfa
Romeos? There are plenty more stylish and unique cars sold in the UK
than there are sold in the U.S.

Ben
 
PButler111 said:
How generous of you. I'm entitled to my opinion but, since it differs from
yours, it's "childish."
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reminds me of what I say about my wife. Anyone who drives faster than her
is a maniac and anyone who drives slower than her is an idiot. perspective
is everything
 
Yup - you got it! I never got more than 24 mpg with any 240. My 850
routinely averages 28+ on the road and often tops 30 mpg. That's driving
aggresively and averaging 75-80 mph.....
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I keep track of every gallon, and I consistently average 26 mpg driving around
town (and I live in a fairly small town, less than 2 miles to work). It does
even better when I take it on the highway for interstate trips.
 
No, it's "childish" because it's "childish" - disagreement can be quite
adult and quite interesting......:) Read your own comment in re Folvos,
that's "childish".......:)

PC
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It was a shortcut referring to Volvo after Ford. There was nothing childish
about it. It was efficient. Again, any opinion that differs from your own you
seem to feel the need to denigrate.
 
taff wrote:
My 940, full

And the s80 is roomier and more comfortable. Also has a much improved
ride quality over the 940. What I like about the 940 is the tight
turning circle and very good visibility.



In the UK?? What about Citroens or Renault Megrane or various Alfa
Romeos? There are plenty more stylish and unique cars sold in the UK
than there are sold in the U.S.

Ben
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Agreed, and that is my point, the Volvo brick style is a unique style.
But we all have our own preferences, and a good thing too.

Taff...........





www.sounds-pa.com | www.thecomputerworkshop.com
 
| >No, it's "childish" because it's "childish" - disagreement can be quite
| >adult and quite interesting......:) Read your own comment in re Folvos,
| >that's "childish".......:)
| >
| >PC
|
| It was a shortcut referring to Volvo after Ford. There was nothing
childish
| about it. It was efficient. Again, any opinion that differs from your
own you
| seem to feel the need to denigrate.

I think you need to look into the nearest mirror - you're describing
yourself.....:)

PC
 
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