CHOKE on this!

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,
Sorry to hear that. I tried filters, patches, training programs, but
none worked for me. One day, it came down to that I couldn't afford
college for my wife, and my 3 pack/day habit. I said I had to quit
and I did. I promised myself I would start back up when I could
afford it, but that was 10+ years ago. Now with a mortgage and a
child, I"m guessing I'll have to remain smoke-free, but I do enjoy the
smell now and then.

Everyone who says they can't just doesn't want to.

imho,

tom @ www.ChopURL.com
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A different take to help put things in perspective.

My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban.

Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

Then there's my wife's aunt.

She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
were overweight.

Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
others.


Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time that
we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005
GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast
Turbo Diesel's.

More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !
 
Full_Name wrote:
[snip]
My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban.

Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
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[snip]

I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order
to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It
has horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most
people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble.

Cosmin
 
Cosmin N. said:
Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P

The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
influences. That seems to be the reason behind this study, and I hope it
works, because not starting to smoke is so much easier than trying to
quit.

I think I tried 10 times to quit, including cold turkey, the patch and the
chewing gum and nothing worked. The only thing I found reduced the number
of cigarettes I smoked was keeping myself busy. My record was 3 cigarettes
in one day, and that was because I had to completely reassemble my old
Yamaha RZ350 before a trip (I had the engine, carbs, front end, swing arm
and brakes rebuilt, and needed to put everything back together).

Cosmin
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I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn't keep the damn
thing lit!
 
Phillip, you multiposted to other NGs and now P.O.ed the rich Acura
group. Not to fear for I have corrected your error.
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NOT an error, deil ol chap. LOL "The rich Acura group." ROFLOL.
 
Philip said:
Cigarettes Worse for Air Than Cars

Ivanhoe Newswire
www.ivanhoe.com
September 1, 2004

Holy smoke! The air pollution emitted by cigarettes may be 10-times greater
than diesel car exhaust.
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I'm not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer in
carcinogens.
 
Wickeddoll® said:
I used to think smokers who couldn't quit were just copping out. That was
until I worked in an OB/Gyn clinic! Those women would be terrified that
their babies would be affected, but were able to eat right, exercise, and
everything we told them they needed to do, but often could *not* stop
smoking. It was then that I realized what a powerful addiction cigarette
smoking is - wow!

Natalie
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The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide
reputation in his field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well enough, I asked him why he smoked, when he
certainly knew the risk. His answer was that he would run blood tests to know when he was about to get cancer, and then
quit. I was certain he knew that there is no such test, and I didn't pursue the matter. Addicts rationalize.

Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology - the treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung
cancer, with many slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs - some postmortem - several people were smoking!

Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.
 
Marvin said:
<snip>
The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a
consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation
in his field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well
enough, I asked him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk. His
answer was that he would run blood tests to know when he was
about to get cancer, and then quit. I was certain he knew that there
is no such test, and I didn't pursue the matter. Addicts
rationalize.
Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology -
the treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung cancer,
with many slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs - some
postmortem - several people were smoking!
Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.
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If the world renown "Body Worlds" exhibit comes to your city, go see it. I
visited the exhibit in Los Angles about 2 months ago. There is on display
some preserved human lungs from healthy and from diseased persons. If that
doesn't get to the smoker .... then he/she must face the fact that they are
a full blown addict to nicotine.

http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp

http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/Weingart/BodyWorlds/BodyWorlds.php
 
Marvin said:
I'm not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine
exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer in
carcinogens.
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Keep in mind that in Italy as in the rest of civilized Europe, diesel fuel
is nearly sulfur free (15 parts per billion) compared to America and
especially Canada. Also, diesel cars "over there" have much cleaner
pollution control that light duty pickup trucks here. Context.
 
A different take to help put things in perspective.

My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban.

Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

Then there's my wife's aunt.

She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
were overweight.

Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
others.


Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time that
we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005
GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast
Turbo Diesel's.

More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !
Click to expand...


Just remember, if I person NEEDS a drug to quit smoking, it's usually
because they don't want to stop. Something, family pressure, health,
has made them want to get the drug to stop, so when they get off the
drug, they will go back to smoking.

I've learned this from lossing weight and stopping smoking, it's a
life style change, you want to do it, and want to keep doing it. If
you use a gimic, as soon as that gimic is gone you will reverse right
back to prior to the gimic.

Now all this is in my own observations, but being a good American,
cold-turkey hurts our economy, if you don't want to support the tax
system via smoking(or over eating), then you need to buy highpriced
gimics to keep the money moving.

So, being a victim, makes for a better Americia. :-P

later,

tom @ www.ChopURL.com
 
Dori A Schmetterling said:
1) Did this woman lose too much too quickly?
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Nope, doctor-supervised (at first in a hospital)
2) My wife smokes only sporadically and then not much, but I have
refused to buy her duty-free cigs (I travel a lot) on same grounds.


DAS
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Back when I was single, I tried to date a smoker, but it was just too
disgusting. I acknowledge their right to smoke, but I just can't have it
around me on a regular basis. And before the secondhand smoke protesters say
they don't believe smoking affects anyone other than the smoker, let me tell
you - even if the FDA said secondhand smoke is actually *good* for us, I'd
still not want that nasty smell around me! And while there's no conclusive
evidence that secondhand smoking causes the same effect of smoking directly,
I certainly have seen evidence of secondhand smoke being harmful to others.
Children of smokers are *way* more likely to have upper respiratory ailments
as a result of irritation of the respiratory mucosa, such as chronic
sinusitis, asthma attacks, etc. I feel sad every time I see a child in a car
with smoke filling the interior. I've seen smoking parents storm out of
doctor's offices in anger when told they're harming their children, rather
than accepting responsibility for their actions. To me it's at least child
neglect, if not out and out abuse to poison the air your children breathe.
No, I don't go up to a car and chastise the smoking parent(s), but I'm...

Natalie, a smoking Nazi, who will go up to strangers in public places, to
remind them that they're in a no-smoking area
[...]
to live. I saw a lady on a documentary who had dropped well over 200
pounds. She began to go insane; not from temptation, but because her body
reacted as though it were starving! She became psychotic and very ill.
She ended up gaining the weight back, and in doing so, regained her
sanity. Isn't that [...]
(She lives in Massachusetts) she'd ask if I'd buy her cigarettes either in
NH (They're quite a bit cheaper there) or at Westover AFB in Chicopee, MA.
I told her that while I know she won't stop smoking because I refuse to
buy them for her, I could not in good conscience do that for her, because
that
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[...]
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Full_Name said:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,


A different take to help put things in perspective.

My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban.

Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

Then there's my wife's aunt.

She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
were overweight.

Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
others.
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*snipping on-topic stuff* LOL

That's very sad! I've never heard of Zyban leading to suicide, nor have I
heard of its competitor, Wellbutrin doing that. And while I've heard of
long-living smokers, it's still one hell of a gamble. An expensive one at
that, not only for buying the cigs, but for the health care you need later
on.

Natalie
 
Cosmin N. said:
Full_Name wrote:
[snip]
My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban. Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day
on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.
Click to expand...
[snip]

I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order to
quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It has
horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most people, if
you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble.

Cosmin
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Wellbutrin is another alternative, but let me give you a tip if you want to
try it (Has way fewer side effects): Wellbutrin is usually authorized by
insurance companies only as a depression drug. So, not that I'm telling you
to lie, but, if you're feeling down because you can't quit smoking or your
life isn't going well, be sure to tell the doctor...

Natalie, whistling innocently, and adjusting her halo
 
Just remember, if I person NEEDS a drug to quit smoking, it's usually
because they don't want to stop. Something, family pressure, health,
has made them want to get the drug to stop, so when they get off the
drug, they will go back to smoking.
Click to expand...

You're probably right
I've learned this from losing weight and stopping smoking, it's a
life style change, you want to do it, and want to keep doing it. If
you use a gimic, as soon as that gimic is gone you will reverse right
back to prior to the gimic.
Click to expand...

Yup - all that 'instant' weight loss crap is well, crap. Slimfast and others
like it are good if you want to drop some pounds before your wedding, class
reunion, etc, but not for long-term.
Now all this is in my own observations, but being a good American,
cold-turkey hurts our economy, if you don't want to support the tax
system via smoking(or over eating), then you need to buy highpriced
gimics to keep the money moving.

So, being a victim, makes for a better Americia. :-P

later,

tom
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Salute the flag when you say that, you commie!

;-)

Natalie
 
Marvin said:
<snip>
The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a
consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide reputation in his
field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well enough, I asked
him why he smoked, when he certainly knew the risk. His answer was that he
would run blood tests to know when he was about to get cancer, and then
quit. I was certain he knew that there is no such test, and I didn't
pursue the matter. Addicts rationalize.

Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology - the
treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung cancer, with many
slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs - some postmortem -
several people were smoking!
Click to expand...

The addiction, like most others, override rational thought whenever it can.
The id just needs, and it will trick you into thinking you need it, too.
Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.
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Yup - "I can stop anytime I want to"

Natalie
 
Scott M said:
I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn't keep the
damn thing lit!
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That joke is older than my youngest child - she's 14

;-)

Natalie
 
Marvin said:
I'm not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine exhaust,
especially the kind you can see, is much richer in carcinogens.
Click to expand...

But they smell better...

Natalie
 
<snip>

The only reliable way to stop smoking is not to start.

Full_Name said:
Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time
that we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the
new 2005 GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for
the fast Turbo Diesel's.

More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !
Click to expand...

See:

http://www.me.umn.edu/centers/cdr/
 
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