CHOKE on this!

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:37:22 -0500,

A different take to help put things in perspective.

My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every method,
patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior modification and
then Zyban.

Zyban was amazingly effective for him. After the second day on the
product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was so
happy that he'd finally found something that worked.

It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt
jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before
he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A doctor
had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose.

Then there's my wife's aunt.

She smoked from her early teens till she died this past fall at 75.
she was active, smoked 2 packs a day & her non-smoking husband is
still alive, active and doing fine. However neither one of them is or
were overweight.

Tobacco is not healthy. But for some trying to quit may be too much.
I smoked for a year & then quit. But it was easy for me. Not so for
others.


Using that stat posted in the article I think that it's high time that
we get the good Diesels here in North America. Including the new 2005
GTi Turbo Diesel. Ban Fast food & use the cooking oil for the fast
Turbo Diesel's.

More sub 7 sec 0-60, 140+ MPH Diesels I say !

 

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I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in order
to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you mentioned. It
has horrible side effects in some people. While it works for most
people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you are in trouble.

Cosmin

 

There's only one accurate cure for smokers: the guillotine

 

I too tryed "the patch" . Didnt work for me either, I couldn't keep the damn
thing lit!

 

NOT an error, deil ol chap. LOL "The rich Acura group." ROFLOL.

 

I'm not defending second-hand tobacco smoke, but deisel engine exhaust, especially the kind you can see, is much richer in
carcinogens.

 

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The company I used to work for made medical devices. It had as a consultant a physician from Britain who had a world-wide
reputation in his field. He was a heavy smoker. When I got to know him well enough, I asked him why he smoked, when he
certainly knew the risk. His answer was that he would run blood tests to know when he was about to get cancer, and then
quit. I was certain he knew that there is no such test, and I didn't pursue the matter. Addicts rationalize.

Some time before that, I attended a meeting on surgical oncology - the treatment of cancers by surgery. In a session on lung
cancer, with many slides showing cancerous tissue removed from lungs - some postmortem - several people were smoking!

Ask a smoker if he is addicted. Most will deny it.

 

If the world renown "Body Worlds" exhibit comes to your city, go see it. I
visited the exhibit in Los Angles about 2 months ago. There is on display
some preserved human lungs from healthy and from diseased persons. If that
doesn't get to the smoker .... then he/she must face the fact that they are
a full blown addict to nicotine.

http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp

http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/Weingart/BodyWorlds/BodyWorlds.php

 

Keep in mind that in Italy as in the rest of civilized Europe, diesel fuel
is nearly sulfur free (15 parts per billion) compared to America and
especially Canada. Also, diesel cars "over there" have much cleaner
pollution control that light duty pickup trucks here. Context.

 

Just remember, if I person NEEDS a drug to quit smoking, it's usually
because they don't want to stop. Something, family pressure, health,
has made them want to get the drug to stop, so when they get off the
drug, they will go back to smoking.

I've learned this from lossing weight and stopping smoking, it's a
life style change, you want to do it, and want to keep doing it. If
you use a gimic, as soon as that gimic is gone you will reverse right
back to prior to the gimic.

Now all this is in my own observations, but being a good American,
cold-turkey hurts our economy, if you don't want to support the tax
system via smoking(or over eating), then you need to buy highpriced
gimics to keep the money moving.

So, being a victim, makes for a better Americia.

later,

tom @ www.ChopURL.com

 

We humans tend to be very susceptible to our temptations.

Natalie

 

Nope, doctor-supervised (at first in a hospital)

Back when I was single, I tried to date a smoker, but it was just too
disgusting. I acknowledge their right to smoke, but I just can't have it
around me on a regular basis. And before the secondhand smoke protesters say
they don't believe smoking affects anyone other than the smoker, let me tell
you - even if the FDA said secondhand smoke is actually *good* for us, I'd
still not want that nasty smell around me! And while there's no conclusive
evidence that secondhand smoking causes the same effect of smoking directly,
I certainly have seen evidence of secondhand smoke being harmful to others.
Children of smokers are *way* more likely to have upper respiratory ailments
as a result of irritation of the respiratory mucosa, such as chronic
sinusitis, asthma attacks, etc. I feel sad every time I see a child in a car
with smoke filling the interior. I've seen smoking parents storm out of
doctor's offices in anger when told they're harming their children, rather
than accepting responsibility for their actions. To me it's at least child
neglect, if not out and out abuse to poison the air your children breathe.
No, I don't go up to a car and chastise the smoking parent(s), but I'm...

Natalie, a smoking Nazi, who will go up to strangers in public places, to
remind them that they're in a no-smoking area

 

*snipping on-topic stuff* LOL

That's very sad! I've never heard of Zyban leading to suicide, nor have I
heard of its competitor, Wellbutrin doing that. And while I've heard of
long-living smokers, it's still one hell of a gamble. An expensive one at
that, not only for buying the cigs, but for the health care you need later
on.

Natalie

 

Wellbutrin is another alternative, but let me give you a tip if you want to
try it (Has way fewer side effects): Wellbutrin is usually authorized by
insurance companies only as a depression drug. So, not that I'm telling you
to lie, but, if you're feeling down because you can't quit smoking or your
life isn't going well, be sure to tell the doctor...

Natalie, whistling innocently, and adjusting her halo

 

You're probably right

Yup - all that 'instant' weight loss crap is well, crap. Slimfast and others
like it are good if you want to drop some pounds before your wedding, class
reunion, etc, but not for long-term.

Salute the flag when you say that, you commie!

;-)

Natalie

 

You're such a ray of sunshine, dood



Natalie

 

The addiction, like most others, override rational thought whenever it can.
The id just needs, and it will trick you into thinking you need it, too.

Yup - "I can stop anytime I want to"

Natalie

 

That joke is older than my youngest child - she's 14

;-)

Natalie

 

But they smell better...

Natalie

 

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The only reliable way to stop smoking is not to start.

See:

http://www.me.umn.edu/centers/cdr/