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Wickeddoll®
Tim McNamara said:
Everyone stops...eventually, one way or another
Natalie
Everyone stops...eventually, one way or another
Natalie
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Ken Weitzel
Wickeddoll® said:
Hi...
With all due respect Natalie, do you wear perfume in
public? Use scented hand soap? Or pretty smelling
(in your opinion) detergents or fabric softener?
Scented hair products? Shoe polishes?
If yes (and I suspect it will be) then you know you're
greedily harming a fair number of people. Not for a
difficult to control addiction, but solely for your own
personal vanity.
Ken
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Dori A Schmetterling
Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very
appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and never
in front of our son.
Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?...
In fact I enjoy an occasional cigar myself and I am very concerned that our
(UK) government is going the North American way by trying to impose a
near-blanket ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. Luckily there are two
years for consultation and I hope they will back off. Measures to protect
workers in smoky establishments are already being taken on a voluntary basis
and this can be strengthened, perhaps even with legislation.
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appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and never
in front of our son.
Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?...
In fact I enjoy an occasional cigar myself and I am very concerned that our
(UK) government is going the North American way by trying to impose a
near-blanket ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. Luckily there are two
years for consultation and I hope they will back off. Measures to protect
workers in smoky establishments are already being taken on a voluntary basis
and this can be strengthened, perhaps even with legislation.
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Wickeddoll®
Ken Weitzel said:
Nope - I can't stand the irritation
LOL - doesn't apply to me, but I know what you mean
Natalie
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Dori A Schmetterling
I stopped when I was thirteen... 
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Huw
Cosmin N. said:Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article.
The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes have
very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another study proving
that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only solution to smoking,
because they are the most vulnerable to peer pressure and other
influences.
I think you miss the point, which is that diesel exhaust is so much
relatively cleaner than cigarette exhaust. This doesn't highlight the well
known fact that cigarettes are a nasty habit tolerated until now by millions
of non smokers whenever they socialise, but it highlights the absurd
negative press about particulates directed by pressure groups against diesel
engined cars.
It turns out that it takes about 3.5 modern diesel cars to create as much
particulate pollution as a single cigarette.
Huw
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Dori A Schmetterling
CarcinogenS?
The only significant carcinogenic pollutant is, AFAIK, particulate carbon.
That is going down rapidly with particulate filters, and I doubt you would
breathe much in unless you are standing really close.
How may of us eat burnt toast and charred steak?
Or lean over a pan of frying bacon? (Get that whiff of nitrosamines!)
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The only significant carcinogenic pollutant is, AFAIK, particulate carbon.
That is going down rapidly with particulate filters, and I doubt you would
breathe much in unless you are standing really close.
How may of us eat burnt toast and charred steak?
Or lean over a pan of frying bacon? (Get that whiff of nitrosamines!)
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Wickeddoll®
Dori A Schmetterling said:
Not me, sweetie
Once in a great while...
Natalie
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Wickeddoll®
Dori A Schmetterling said:
*ahem*
HELL NO
Just tried to date one
cigars stink very badly, IMO, but I do like the smell of cherry tobacco in a
pipe.
See, the big fight here in the U.S. is that smokers want to be able to go out
and have drinks and smoke. The problem is that everyone has to inhale that
crap with them, so they're discouraged about going out. In Arizona(I left
there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you want
without being stigmatized by we smoking Nazis. I think that's a good idea -
as everyone present wants to be around other smokers.
Natalie
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Wickeddoll®
Dori A Schmetterling said:I stopped when I was thirteen...
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LOL that's funny, cuz when *I* was 13, I took one whiff, barfed my guts out
and never tried it again. Thank God!
Natlaie
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Philip
Huw said:
"Cigarette Exhaust". LOL You should register that one!
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Huw
Philip said:
Luckily the cigarette exhausts at both ends. The greater part of the exhaust
is filtered, mainly by the smoker's lungs. The filter has a fairly long life
and regenerates every morning when the smoker coughs up phlegm. Of course it
doesn't last forever but equals the life of the rest of the system on
average.
The exhaust does stink way more than the exhaust of a modern diesel though
and worse, it permeates clothes and furnishing to linger for several days.
Huw
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Steve n Holly
SNIP
That's a sad but not unknown effect from the newer class anti
depressants--Zyban is just wellbutrin by another name--if you read the
prescribing information carefully you will see this is not an unknown
dynamic:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_wellbutrin_tablets.pdf
What is now being uncovered about Prozac, a different drug, but the same
type of drug:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/04/prozac.documents/
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/sto...-89B8-E40423B5F593}&siteid=google&dist=google
http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sg8otgADj454ksgTbBP-2fa91M.asp
I am so sorry about your brother
That's a sad but not unknown effect from the newer class anti
depressants--Zyban is just wellbutrin by another name--if you read the
prescribing information carefully you will see this is not an unknown
dynamic:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_wellbutrin_tablets.pdf
What is now being uncovered about Prozac, a different drug, but the same
type of drug:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/04/prozac.documents/
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/sto...-89B8-E40423B5F593}&siteid=google&dist=google
http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sg8otgADj454ksgTbBP-2fa91M.asp
I am so sorry about your brother
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Hagrinas Mivali
Nobody is proposing unrestricted marijuana use and banning cigarettes that
I've seen.
Cigarettes should not be banned, but they should be discouraged and kept
away from others who don't want them. If marijuana were legal, I don't
think it would be acceptable to have small children in a smoke filled room
with it. But we still allow that with cigarettes. A study was just released
that linked second hand smoke and lower test scores in children. I can see
laws getting tougher, but I can't see an outright ban. Likewise, I can't
see the government allowing marijuana smokers to drive when under the
influence to the point that it affects their driving, or smoke it any place
where cigarettes are not allowed.
The real issue is whether the government should be telling us what sorts of
flowers we can grow. Regulating our behavior is one thing, but banning one
type of flower, allowing another, and letting people keep stuff in jars
under their sink that's even worse is absurd. Many household chemicals are
not only legal but also can cause much more intoxication than marijuana and
can also cause immediate brain damage.
When my father was growing up, marijuana grew wildly in vacant lots and
nobody cared. Now there are laws against it and there are all sorts of new
crimes because growing it is dangerous and it's expensive. Since a grower
cannot rely on the police, he has to be armed. A few generations ago, there
was nothing to protect but a lot full of weeds, there was nothing to buy,
and most people were no more likely to smoke it than they were to smoke
corn silk.
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Hagrinas Mivali
Wickeddoll® said:
Wellbutrin and Zyban are the same drug. It's a mild antidepressant that
doctors discovered had a side effect that made smokers dislike cigarettes.
It's covered by insurance companies for depression, and sold under the name
of Zyban for smoking cessation. It's not clear if Zyban caused any of the
side effects. Smokers get jittery when they quit. Some even get depressed.
An anti-depressant should not make it worse, but since people who take
antidepressants are often depressed to begin with, and could become more
depressed without the drug, it makes sense that they could become more
depressed with the drug too (although possibly less so.) While it's possible
that Zyban caused the effects, it has not been established.
Arguing that it's better to keep smoking than to risk side effects from
Zyban is like arguing that seatbelt usage is bad since you might roll over
into the ocean and lose a few seconds getting your seatbelt off. It ignores
reality. You are statistically much more likely to die from complications
of smoking than from complications of Zyban.
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Philip
Huw said:
As Archie Bunker would say ... "just go stifle yourself" ;-)
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Guest
Wickeddoll® said:*ahem*
HELL NO
cigars stink very badly, IMO, but I do like the smell of cherry tobacco in a
pipe.
See, the big fight here in the U.S. is that smokers want to be able to go out
and have drinks and smoke. The problem is that everyone has to inhale that
crap with them, so they're discouraged about going out. In Arizona(I left
there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you want
without being stigmatized by we smoking Nazis. I think that's a good idea -
as everyone present wants to be around other smokers.
Natalie
I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from fireplace
or pit), cooking smoke ect.?
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Dori A Schmetterling
Next time you fry your bacon just lean over and take a deep breath...and get
a nice lungful of nitrosamines, which are reckoned to be carcinogenic...
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a nice lungful of nitrosamines, which are reckoned to be carcinogenic...
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Dori A Schmetterling
You're as evangelical as an ex-smoker...
In Manhattan in 2003 (or was it 2002?) I was in a smokers' bar (attached to
a great steak restaurant) that had been given a one-month extension in the
implementation of the smoking ban. It was very peculiar, almost pointless.
Ok for me as I was visiting and fancied that smoke & drink, but for the
locals? The extra month was not a solution.
The problem with pure smoking establishments is that the smoke density is
too great. Stink my clothes out. What's more, I don't inhale (....) and I
don't want to breathe in smoke...bit of a paradox here, but who cares?
And I am pleased to say the ashtrays in my cars stay pristinely clean, and
in my latest car I don't even have one, having deleted it when ordering (to
be vaguely in-topic).
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In Manhattan in 2003 (or was it 2002?) I was in a smokers' bar (attached to
a great steak restaurant) that had been given a one-month extension in the
implementation of the smoking ban. It was very peculiar, almost pointless.
Ok for me as I was visiting and fancied that smoke & drink, but for the
locals? The extra month was not a solution.
The problem with pure smoking establishments is that the smoke density is
too great. Stink my clothes out. What's more, I don't inhale (....) and I
don't want to breathe in smoke...bit of a paradox here, but who cares?
And I am pleased to say the ashtrays in my cars stay pristinely clean, and
in my latest car I don't even have one, having deleted it when ordering (to
be vaguely in-topic).
DAS
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Wickeddoll® said:Dori A Schmetterling said:
*ahem*
HELL NO
there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you
want without being stigmatized by we smoking Nazis. I think that's a good
idea - as everyone present wants to be around other smokers.
Natalie
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Dori A Schmetterling
Not quite.
My understanding is the hairs that bring out the junk in the lungs
eventually die off (no phlegm, no regeneration) so that even cessation of
smoking does not bring back the status quo anti. Rubbish stays in lungs,
more diseases, more problems --> potential premature general systems
failure.
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My understanding is the hairs that bring out the junk in the lungs
eventually die off (no phlegm, no regeneration) so that even cessation of
smoking does not bring back the status quo anti. Rubbish stays in lungs,
more diseases, more problems --> potential premature general systems
failure.
DAS
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