Wickeddoll® said:
I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying that some bars in AZ decided to make
themselves 'smoker-friendly'. I think they have the right to serve their
customers as they (legally) see fit.
That would depend on your state's laws. I found AZ too smoky for my
likings. It would have been nice to be able to sell a million dollars in
real estate and buy an equivalent house in Phoenix with more land for
$135,000, but the idea of not being able to go to a restaurant was not my
idea of where I'd like to live. I found myself walking out of too many
restaurants right after walking in because they made no attempt to segregate
the smokers (if that's even possible.)
I dunno. Back in my single days, it seemed like at least 1 in 3 of the
patrons at bars were puffing away. Maybe that's changed since the late
70s/early 80s
If that was true, then 2 in 3 were not smoking. There were also some
potential customers who stayed away because of the smoky atmosphere. I used
to stay away from bowling alleys for the same reason. Now I take my kids,
and kids have birthday parties there. The percentage who smoked did not
necessarily reflect the percentage of potential customers who smoked.
No, what I was talking about were places that catered to smokers in
particular. I don't see that as a loss of rights. There are certainly more
non-smoking public places than the reverse, so I don't see the harm. If I
know a bar caters to smokers, I'll stay the hell away from there. Some
people who are non-smokers don't mind being in a nicotine permeated
environment. Bottome line: If you know what you're getting into, don't
complain when you see it (in this case smoking)
The idea of the California law was not to protect the bar patrons. It was to
protect employees. I think it's still theoretically possible to open a bar
and allow smoking if the owner is the bartender and there are no employees.
(Possibly, other family members could work there.) I haven't paid much
attention to that aspect of the law since it was passed years ago, but I
wouldn't rule out the possiblity of a group of bartenders owning something
jointly and having enough owners to cover all shifts. I don't know of any
bars like that, but if I got that aspect of the law right, they would be
able to allow smoking as long as they had a sign in the entrance that says
that they allow smoking and that it's a substance known to the state of
California to cause cancer, etc.
I did - I still stand by my statements
We'll have to respectfully disagree and leave it at that, then.
Hmmm while I agree that cig/cigar smoke is harmful, I don't know that it
equals the amount of toxicity you get from machine exhaust. If we're talking
sheer numbers here, I tend to believe cars emit much more harmful fumes than
smokers. Do you have some data I could see? Seriously, I'd like to know.
This thread did start with a study that aluded to that, at least with
respect to cars. I don't know if there is comprehensive data, but I do know
that I've never come home stinking of exhaust from driving behind another
car. I've had occasions where the person in front of me is a gross polluter,
and I had to switch to recirc, but I've had far more occasions when I had to
do it because somebody in the car in front of me lit up at a red light and
had the window open.
I don't know if *I* get more toxicity from machine exhaust than from
cigarettes, but if I do, it's because I'm not around cigarettes as much. I
do know that if I were in an open room such as a garage with a car's engine
running, I'd be bothered less than if a single person were smoking. The
former would not make me cough, smell up my clothes, or give me a headache.
See above
You say that like it's a good thing
I think New England is a beautiful place. I haven't been there in a while
though.
And they didn't. I saw it, of course, but my parents never tried to get me
into it. One of my mom's friends did, but I flatly refused.
In the 70's, I had friends whose parents smoked around them and around other
children. I can't see that happening today, and I don't know if your
parents would react the same way today either.
Wish I could say that. It always saddens me to take a pregnant woman back to
the exam room and notice that the room is filling up with that odor. I feel
sorry for the baby as well as the mom.
You could try discussing the benefits of not smoking rather than the scare
tactics and see if it works. In my case, it would be none of my business,
but as a health care worker, it would be reasonable.
